Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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I have received reroute pay before under certain circumstances..Not very often, but occasionally.. Most of the time I had credit in my trip and a reroute results in doing additional flying for free. The big thing is the 14 hour window...That is too far in the future until extra pay is received under this grievance resolution.
The big thing is -- it allows enough time to use a long call reserve.
A couple hours for crew tracking to get things figured out and send the uncovered legs over to crew scheduling and then they have to build a rotation and still get in touch with the reserve >12 hours until report.
Am I the only one who has had issues when the DCCU "upgraded" their accounts into the new online banking software?
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It seems to me to be a continuation of the path we have been on the last ten years. Individual pilots get more money but the company gets a more productive pilot force and needs fewer reserves/white/green slips.
We once again trade money for being more efficient. A continuation of choosing money over quality of life. I assume this is the will of the majority of the pilot group. I must be in the minority.
JMHO
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We once again trade money for being more efficient. A continuation of choosing money over quality of life. I assume this is the will of the majority of the pilot group. I must be in the minority.
JMHO
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I am well aware. I am in that group.
Have you taken a look at the seniority list lately? Approx 48% of the list is 55 and older. All the South guys had their retirement ripped out from underneath them. I don't blame these guys for trying to stuff as much under the mattress as they can. 10 years from now this will be a different environment. That's not a very long time.
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Well the way I read the email said that right now the company had to offer open time or GS for any uncovered segment more than 14 hrs off. Sometimes they don't, hence the grievance.
The language is still in the contract, now they must pay in situations where they are willfully breaking the contract for operational concern.
Before, rerouted pilot flew the extra time and just got the higher of their rotation value or the new rotation value, no one was awarded premium pay and no one was the wiser.
Now the company may still try and do that but it will be in essence at least as costly as a WS because the pilot flying now will get more credit on top of his rotation.
This would at least cause more time to go into open time as was originally designed in the contract.
The language is still in the contract, now they must pay in situations where they are willfully breaking the contract for operational concern.
Before, rerouted pilot flew the extra time and just got the higher of their rotation value or the new rotation value, no one was awarded premium pay and no one was the wiser.
Now the company may still try and do that but it will be in essence at least as costly as a WS because the pilot flying now will get more credit on top of his rotation.
This would at least cause more time to go into open time as was originally designed in the contract.
DALPA interpreted the contract to be on a segment by segment basis meaning any legs reporting more then 14 hours out had to go to open time for coverage.
The company in this settlement acknowledges that they can only reroute into segments less then 14 hours and agrees that our interpretation was correct. The compromise was that the company can choose to cover the remaining portion of the rotation via reroute but will now have to pay a penalty of double pay for those legs.
We could have refused the settlement and it would have gone to arbitration with a ruling on one position or the other. This was a smart move setting up a substantial penalty to the company should they reroute into a segment more then 14 hours from when it became covered.
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How in the world would we prove the legs we got rerouted into were known about more than 14 hours prior?
We basically have to trust that the company will be honest and forthright. How has that been working out for us lately?
We basically have to trust that the company will be honest and forthright. How has that been working out for us lately?
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I have received reroute pay before under certain circumstances..Not very often, but occasionally.. Most of the time I had credit in my trip and a reroute results in doing additional flying for free. The big thing is the 14 hour window...That is too far in the future until extra pay is received under this grievance resolution.
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No we don't, there is a time stamp on everything done in DBMS. DALPA has the exact same access to the scheduling computers as the company which is unusual. The company did not have to grant that level of access. Everything can be checked to the minute and we are in the process of adding another employee into contract admin to insure enforcement. Next time you have a long sit in ATL take the time to go over and talk with the contract admin guys and see what they do. You might actually come back with something nice to say about DALPa.
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What's to prevent the company from recreating a new rotation or leg from scratch? They do it all the time.
So now we should call DALPA every time we get rerouted?
Are you denying that the company has been less than honest about following the contract? Surely you can see that they are "pushing to test" more, and turning up the heat on pilots in general WRT sick calls, "productivity" inquisitions, etc.
So now we should call DALPA every time we get rerouted?
Are you denying that the company has been less than honest about following the contract? Surely you can see that they are "pushing to test" more, and turning up the heat on pilots in general WRT sick calls, "productivity" inquisitions, etc.
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