Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-03-2015, 08:15 PM
Doing Nothing
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03-04-2015, 12:27 AM
Sho me da money!
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2. Nobody misses Fiig huh?
03-04-2015, 03:55 AM
The Brown Dot +1
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If it was up your a$$ wrapped in concertina wire, you'd know exactly where it was.
Said nobody in particular. I couldn't resist.
Anyway, I have been inspired by underboob. So I guess it's fitting that I should be equally inspired by the word ass-imilate. However, since we are all about learning new words how's about the word of the day is: steatopygia
I'll leave it to the less technologically challenged to take care of the photo sharing.
03-04-2015, 04:36 AM
Gets Weekends Off
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No. If we got trips touching back for training events, that wouldn't give us a valid grievance because we lost it previously.
03-04-2015, 04:41 AM
Bye Bye Maddog!
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My car broke down, so my wife drops me off and picks me up at the terminal (ATL). (we live close). KCM on the north side of security. It doesn't save me any time, but it's nicer than riding the bus to and from employee parking.
Plus, no more embarrassing 'Honey, I'm home early... hey, who's the guy in the shower with the tattoos?'
Plus, no more embarrassing 'Honey, I'm home early... hey, who's the guy in the shower with the tattoos?'
Hey Honey!........Who's the guy in the shower with the tattoos?
(see the difference?) Not that there's anything wrong with that!
03-04-2015, 04:57 AM
veut gagner à la loterie
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If it was up your a$$ wrapped in concertina wire, you'd know exactly where it was.
Said nobody in particular. I couldn't resist.
Anyway, I have been inspired by underboob. So I guess it's fitting that I should be equally inspired by the word ass-imilate. However, since we are all about learning new words how's about the word of the day is: steatopygia
I'll leave it to the less technologically challenged to take care of the photo sharing.
Said nobody in particular. I couldn't resist.
Anyway, I have been inspired by underboob. So I guess it's fitting that I should be equally inspired by the word ass-imilate. However, since we are all about learning new words how's about the word of the day is: steatopygia
I'll leave it to the less technologically challenged to take care of the photo sharing.
03-04-2015, 05:20 AM
veut gagner à la loterie
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This was a huge help. I called Bill and will summarize in my response to CE.
Thanks that is great information. I know this will be quite a block of text but it might help others so I'll post it anyway.
Situation: I live in SAT, seat locked to 717B, currently domiciled NYC. I don't like commuting and will move into domicile (SEA and ATL only 2 wife approved domiciles) but due to age of my kids (school moves) I feel like I must move this summer or not at all.
Moving: I missed SEA 73n in January by 400 numbers and resigned myself to the reality that I would move to ATL. Got some sticker shock at housing prices in ATL, almost as expensive to buy there as SEA. Now DAL gives me an unexpected 2nd chance to be awarded SEA with 45 openings to SEA 73NB. Since the category is still considered new I don't have to worry about my seat lock. The 365 option could complicate things a bit.
Option 1: I am awarded SEA 73n. Worst case the company doesn't train me until Jan '16 which means about 6 months commuting SEA to NYC. That seems like a fairly challenging commute but it is certainly doable.
Option 1b: I could do a backup bid of LAX 717B and hope that I'd get an SEA award on a subsequent AE. Risky since it is entirely possible that more and more senior people continue to bid into SEA extending the time I'd be stuck commuting, not willing to take this risk. I either get SEA this AE or that dream is gone until the kids are off to college.
I asked Bill if I could swap bases from NYC to LAX while waiting for a hypothetical January '16 73N training date; however, since your seat lock begins upon award and not training completion I was told this was not possible.
Option 2: Bid ATL 717B. I was worried that if I bid on this particular AE then I could possibly be bypassed by somebody junior who is awarded ATL 717B on a subsequent AE. When I spoke with Bill he said that if I required training it would be possible for somebody junior to me to bid ATL 717B on a subsequent AE and train before me; but, since I would not require training then it would be highly unlikely if not impossible for this to happen.
Thanks that is great information. I know this will be quite a block of text but it might help others so I'll post it anyway.
Situation: I live in SAT, seat locked to 717B, currently domiciled NYC. I don't like commuting and will move into domicile (SEA and ATL only 2 wife approved domiciles) but due to age of my kids (school moves) I feel like I must move this summer or not at all.
Moving: I missed SEA 73n in January by 400 numbers and resigned myself to the reality that I would move to ATL. Got some sticker shock at housing prices in ATL, almost as expensive to buy there as SEA. Now DAL gives me an unexpected 2nd chance to be awarded SEA with 45 openings to SEA 73NB. Since the category is still considered new I don't have to worry about my seat lock. The 365 option could complicate things a bit.
Option 1: I am awarded SEA 73n. Worst case the company doesn't train me until Jan '16 which means about 6 months commuting SEA to NYC. That seems like a fairly challenging commute but it is certainly doable.
Option 1b: I could do a backup bid of LAX 717B and hope that I'd get an SEA award on a subsequent AE. Risky since it is entirely possible that more and more senior people continue to bid into SEA extending the time I'd be stuck commuting, not willing to take this risk. I either get SEA this AE or that dream is gone until the kids are off to college.
I asked Bill if I could swap bases from NYC to LAX while waiting for a hypothetical January '16 73N training date; however, since your seat lock begins upon award and not training completion I was told this was not possible.
Option 2: Bid ATL 717B. I was worried that if I bid on this particular AE then I could possibly be bypassed by somebody junior who is awarded ATL 717B on a subsequent AE. When I spoke with Bill he said that if I required training it would be possible for somebody junior to me to bid ATL 717B on a subsequent AE and train before me; but, since I would not require training then it would be highly unlikely if not impossible for this to happen.
If you look at the last projected training/conversion window you can see how they handled guys swapping bases on the same aircraft. That AE had a small conversion window though but most everyone were swapped in Month 2-4 of the 6 month window. So nothing was immediate but it was timely.
However, in my personal experience I notice that conversions are done to have people in position for the summer. So they could move fast if they need people in ATL (which could happen if guys bid off in mass) or if that doesn't happen then keep you in NYC until the end of summer. Depends on how the AE shakes out.
If I'm not mistaken, conversions are figured out by hand. Years ago they explained how it goes down. I think it's a mind boggling process.
03-04-2015, 05:33 AM
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Your observation was that ALPA hasn't told us how Delta measures sick leave. You offered 3 ways to do it. On the previous page of this thread I listed 5, and the way my reps told us it was being measured. A chief pilot confirmed it. I have no clue how we stack up with other airlines, and I don't care. Our contract and work rules are different than their's.
The burden is on Delta to prove our variance.
The burden is on Delta to prove our variance.
03-04-2015, 05:46 AM
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Sick leave rises in spring, not because the bank resets in June, but because guys don't wear their coat even when it's 20 outside. Always funny to see the short sleeve with chattering teeth.
03-04-2015, 05:52 AM
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Yes that was my concern. Hypothetically I could be awarded ATL717B and they have until Jan '16 to convert me. Somebody junior to me could be awarded ATL717B on a subsequent AE and (to my understanding) it would be legal for them to be assigned to ATL before me since the company would have to convert them within 6 months. I called programming and asked about this possibility and was told that this was highly unlikely. As you pointed out, those who don't need training are typically converted quickly. The sticking point could be required NYC vs. ATL manning. The real takeaway I got was not even programming could give definitive answers. Until they see how the bid unfolds, they really have no idea on timetable of moves.
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