Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-03-2015, 07:26 AM
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I'm not so sure about that. If you look at Time Card, Sick Occurences it breaks down the missed work days and the duration you were marked out. Unless you know for a fact that the company is looking at the duration number and not the missed work days number when they make that statement.
03-03-2015, 07:28 AM
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While I'm not 100% positive of it, is why I'm writing the reps.
Why would the company track it those ways, if they weren't going to use that information.
I have a very hard time believing DAL pilots use "a lot" more SK time than our peers. However, if the company uses the "bigger" number, they can skew the info. I'd like to find out the truth. Especially since this seems to be a hot button topic.
Why would the company track it those ways, if they weren't going to use that information.
I have a very hard time believing DAL pilots use "a lot" more SK time than our peers. However, if the company uses the "bigger" number, they can skew the info. I'd like to find out the truth. Especially since this seems to be a hot button topic.
03-03-2015, 07:40 AM
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I'm not so sure about that. If you look at Time Card, Sick Occurences it breaks down the missed work days and the duration you were marked out. Unless you know for a fact that the company is looking at the duration number and not the missed work days number when they make that statement.
So they certainly DO look at the total days you were out sick.
From our C20 newsletter:
When is verification required?
Section 14. F. 3 & 4 of the PWA requires a pilot to verify his/ her illness ONLY under the following circumstances:
· When you have been absent on a single sick occurrence 15 or more consecutive calendar days (including days off between trips).
etc
03-03-2015, 08:08 AM
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Basiclly, from the day you call in SK, until well is counted as sick days.
Not just the actual days of work missed.
Example.
You call in sick the day before a four day trip. (Sunday)
The trip, 4 days, is Mon-Thur.
You forget or don't call in well until the following Sunday. (Regardless of when really well).
So, instead of counting that as one sick call at four days missed (lost) work, the company counts it as 7 days out sick.
That's the short of it.... So when DAL says we use more sick time, it's flawed. I forgot to call in well because it's a new system for me. Now my missed work log (whatever it's called, either in iCrew or PAS) shows me out 12 days even though I only was out for a 3 day trip. So to the company it looks like I used 4 times the amount of SK I actually used.
Not just the actual days of work missed.
Example.
You call in sick the day before a four day trip. (Sunday)
The trip, 4 days, is Mon-Thur.
You forget or don't call in well until the following Sunday. (Regardless of when really well).
So, instead of counting that as one sick call at four days missed (lost) work, the company counts it as 7 days out sick.
That's the short of it.... So when DAL says we use more sick time, it's flawed. I forgot to call in well because it's a new system for me. Now my missed work log (whatever it's called, either in iCrew or PAS) shows me out 12 days even though I only was out for a 3 day trip. So to the company it looks like I used 4 times the amount of SK I actually used.
We track the calendar days missed because that is what the contract requires for one of the verification components. They have to track that to comply. I don't know if they also track it as a means of comparison.
03-03-2015, 09:18 AM
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03-03-2015, 09:59 AM
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To this point, I had been thinking that when someone claimed that our sick leave use was x% higher than our peers at other airlines, that this was directly related to how much our sick time was costing the company ($ value). If that were true (and I don't know that it is), the number of days for the occurrence would be irrelevant because it would still be costing the same since we are only paid sick leave for work missed. Missing off days doesn't increase the cost in a way I can think of.
Regardless of how they choose to measure it, they have chosen to make a big deal about it. I think that's poor prioritization on Delta's part.
03-03-2015, 10:42 AM
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Anybody know what a two day CQ pays?
03-03-2015, 10:51 AM
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I've found this forum to be great for answering questions. I've asked a couple about a 365 AE but haven't gotten responses. I'm beginning to think that perhaps I'm asking questions that people might not know the answers to. Has it been a really long time since the company had a 365 day stipulation in the AE (or is this possibly the 1st one since coming out of bankruptcy)?
Thanks
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03-03-2015, 11:01 AM
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My car broke down, so my wife drops me off and picks me up at the terminal (ATL). (we live close). KCM on the north side of security. It doesn't save me any time, but it's nicer than riding the bus to and from employee parking.
Plus, no more embarrassing 'Honey, I'm home early... hey, who's the guy in the shower with the tattoos?'
Plus, no more embarrassing 'Honey, I'm home early... hey, who's the guy in the shower with the tattoos?'
03-03-2015, 11:06 AM
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Mike,
I looked at your question, and think you're right. Nobody is answering because they don't know. At first I thought they would convert you first, but now that you mention it, maybe it is possible someone senior to you could bypass you even if they were on a subsequent award.
I'd float that by the manager of crew resources.
I looked at your question, and think you're right. Nobody is answering because they don't know. At first I thought they would convert you first, but now that you mention it, maybe it is possible someone senior to you could bypass you even if they were on a subsequent award.
I'd float that by the manager of crew resources.
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