Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
Profit Sharing and Sick Leave - we are working ourselves into a tizzy. Had a TNG DEPT guy on the JS who said that during the meeting with RA they had (2 weeks ago) he flat out said PS is not going to be touched. So why are we upset? If we think our reps feel otherwise then communicate and make our voices heard...recall them....or vote NO on a POS TA!
SLOA - funny thing - Delta is screaming that we have a problem, but every minute over 100 hrs requires verification. So yes....we do...we have a lot of SICK people evidently. Maybe they can tighten the rules on verification so folks don't get online fake Dr notes? Or maybe they can keep hiring so we have reserves and aren't flying 80-90 hrs/mo.
Just my $.02 rant over. Back to nursing my 2 sick girls.
SLOA - funny thing - Delta is screaming that we have a problem, but every minute over 100 hrs requires verification. So yes....we do...we have a lot of SICK people evidently. Maybe they can tighten the rules on verification so folks don't get online fake Dr notes? Or maybe they can keep hiring so we have reserves and aren't flying 80-90 hrs/mo.
Just my $.02 rant over. Back to nursing my 2 sick girls.
Disregard. Wasn't supposed to mention that.
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You're being cute, too. But, yes. Many years ago our pay rates went down without a ratification vote. And before you were hired they went up several times without being ratified. You can allege anything, I suppose, but you know that within the context of the "risk" to profit sharing and pay rates, one of them does not require our consent to be worthless.
Splash,
You are correct but you are also omitting some some important discussion topics.
1. We are only negotiating a 3-4 year deal. If current conditions hold this period should be wildly profitable. Obviously the further out you go the greater that this can change. Lets play the averages and let our profit sharing provide us with $$$$. If we don't think we can sustain these kind of profits margins lets at least get one more section 6 out of it.
2. When people correctly point out that PS is more at risk in my mind they are referring to a black swan event permanently reducing profits. In these type of events all compensation is at risk. If it is a lesser event - profits should quickly return.
So basically converting PS to pay rates will only help in an event bad enough to permanently affect profits, but not bad enough to trigger a force majeure BK scenario.
3. The industry and company have changed drastically in the last decade. DAL is has been making ever increasing profits in a down economy. Consolidation has reshaped the industry and helped to minimize irrational below cost ticket pricing. DAL is running a much leaner and more efficient operation that can consistently produce large profits.
Finally a question for all in favor of monetizing profit sharing.
List some examples of the kind of events that will permanently affect our profits but that would not also risk the industry leading pay-rates we are demanding?
Scoop
Carl
I'm not as much upset as I am troubled by the fact that DALPA is the entity calling profit sharing into question. Not management...DALPA.
Now you're on to something. But understand you'll have to vote NO on a POS TA while DALPA screams that you'll never get a better offer and your career may be forever damaged by a NO vote.
Carl
You're being cute, too. But, yes. Many years ago our pay rates went down without a ratification vote. And before you were hired they went up several times without being ratified. You can allege anything, I suppose, but you know that within the context of the "risk" to profit sharing and pay rates, one of them does not require our consent to be worthless.
Carl
Carl
1. We are only negotiating a 3-4 year deal. If current conditions hold this period should be wildly profitable. Obviously the further out you go the greater that this can change. Lets play the averages and let our profit sharing provide us with $$$$. If we don't think we can sustain these kind of profits margins lets at least get one more section 6 out of it.
3. The industry and company have changed drastically in the last decade. DAL is has been making ever increasing profits in a down economy. Consolidation has reshaped the industry and helped to minimize irrational below cost ticket pricing. DAL is running a much leaner and more efficient operation that can consistently produce large profits.
Dropping foreign ownership restrictions could result in a few state-owned airlines going after the Big 3 in the US. Being gobbled-up by a foreign entity that can hide profits because we're now a private company owned by an emirate or kingdom could be "troublesome".
Should I ignore my "pilot sense" and not worry about risk I can't predict?
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New hire reindeer games...Ran out of FDP and got an all expenses paid overnight in ATL with DH home the next day. Scheduler approved deviate DH but flight was full and couldn't book jumpseat so listed as non rev. One of the FA seats was open 15 min prior but agent couldn't figure out how to book me. She finally gave me boarding pass and I boarded and put away my luggage and talked with Capt and lead FA. At departure time I was asked to deplane since they still couldn't figure out how to close the flight. I am now at Hilton--at least it is warmer than Chicago crew rest (barely). Any thoughts?
New hire reindeer games...Ran out of FDP and got an all expenses paid overnight in ATL with DH home the next day. Scheduler approved deviate DH but flight was full and couldn't book jumpseat so listed as non rev. One of the FA seats was open 15 min prior but agent couldn't figure out how to book me. She finally gave me boarding pass and I boarded and put away my luggage and talked with Capt and lead FA. At departure time I was asked to deplane since they still couldn't figure out how to close the flight. I am now at Hilton--at least it is warmer than Chicago crew rest (barely). Any thoughts?
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