Originally Posted by ImTumbleweed

Regarding SD's memo that from 2012 to 2014 pilot sick usage is up 25%...

Between 2012 and 2014 didn't the company *change* the way they track/account for sick use?

I believe the old method simply tracked "Lost work days". I believe the new method tracks "Total days lost from calling in sick until calling in well" (big difference).

I have a hard time believing that all 12,000 pilots at DAL suddenly increased their sick time by 25%.

I have an easy time believing that the low-level bean counters at DAL changed the way they track/account for sick leave and they forgot to tell upper-level management. Then upper-level management looks at the numbers and says "Woah! We've got a HUGE spike in sick leave usage".

In reality, sick usage has not change a bit. Only the method of tracking it.

Who at DALPA would be able to look into this? Thoughts?

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Profit sharing is just another cost item in the contract. It has a value just like every item. In the end I look at the total value of the contract. That ends up being what it costs Delta per block hour to staff their aircraft. That's the number the company cares about. Sadly pilots often put to much emphasis on the direct compensation numbers and not enough on the soft items. There is no one section of the contract that will be a deal breaker. Overall however if you look at the delta pilot block hour costs Dalpa has done a good job trying to balance out the contracts.
While we ***** on here about profit sharing that no one has mentioned giving up at Dalpa and the company has not even hinted they want changed there are real issues ongoing the company does want changed that have huge quality of life implications to the pilot group.
Carl and Jerry only post items that they believe can be manipulated to cast Dalpa in a bad light. They have no interest in anything but hurting Dalpa regardless of the negative impact it has on the pilot group as a whole. They toss things on the wall and hope they stick or spin up the forum while we ignore real threats.
The company if you read what they put out has made it very clear what they are going to emphasis on the coming contract. It's going to be productivity, productivity and more productivity. The threat in this area most don't even recognize. There are new scheduling programs that will give the company the ability to reschedule the entire operation in real time. One flight cancels for a mechanical and the computer in a matter of seconds spits out a min cost solution that reroutes 57 crews. SD alluded to this in one of his recent memos. Their new found computing power is increasing reroutes and decreasing premium pay. They will in real time be able to optimize the entire operation on a minute by minute basis. Essentially once you sign in for a trip every flight the company has scheduled could be a big pot of open time for the company. The company builds the current rotations to a cost solution that is only accurate until the first flight cancels or is late. The new computer systems will be able to put out a new min cost solution with every change.
The contractual work rules in the contract are all that is keeping the company from going to a active real time scheduling system. As pilots we will not like that. There is a grievance filed that is of huge importance to the pilot group that I don't think has had a single post on this forum. It deals with uncovered flight segments more then 14 hours out. The company agreed that segments known more then 14 hours out will be sent to crew scheduling to be built as open time. They have reneged on that and are sending those segments to the new super premium reroute computer.
This is a huge grievance and of far more importance then the 1 to 2 flights per day the company failed to fly in the AF/KLM JV. I will start to sound hysterical like Jerry always is but this could cost us into 4 digits worth of jobs if the company wins the grievance and can get other seemingly innocuous changes in work rules.
My point in posting this is I suspect the company will throw a lot of dollars in pay charts. The devil will be in the work rules. Imagine departing on every rotation knowing that rotation is being evaluated for change every minute based on the real time status of the operation! Its happening as we speak and multiple crews are being rerouted to keep one flight from going 10 minutes late. Think about a computer that views every credit minute on every rotation as something to be eliminated. It's not pretty.
We need to have the best people working for us and we all need to pull in the same direction or we will get run over by the tiny details. Carl, Jerry and DPA need to get behind the pilot group and become a asset. DPA needs to follow the Dogma they posted in one of their very first letters and work to unify not fracture the pilot group.
In summary watch the work rules in the coming contract. Watch the grievance that is ongoing and let the company know your feelings. pay will not be the issue in the next contract.

Originally Posted by Ed Harley

Reminds me of the national politics scene.

Originally Posted by SFWB

I enjoyed the Star Trek references.
I don't want to be rerouted off my bid schedule.
Seahawks lost and that is good.
I haven't seen Elvis in a long time.
Delta is making money and that is good.
Pay me more.
Work me less.
Don't reroute me.
Don't mess with profit sharing.
FTB make a flow chart to reflect such items.
Beast Mode is obnoxious.
Earl Campbell was a much better back and is a better person.

SFWB

Originally Posted by gzsg

You can pretend the process wasn't ignored on C2012, but that won't change the truth.


Jerry

Originally Posted by D Mantooth

That's exactly the way it works.

Purple, you beat your wife. Prove you don't.

See? I made an accusation. The burden of proof is on me.

As long as I'm accusing, I might as well continue with the accusations and include some guesses.

You are the most rude and unpleasant poster on APC.

I'm going to guess that you were hired in 2007 or 2008. (As long as we're on the theme, prove me wrong.). If so, since your hire date, you've had nothing but raises every single year (unheard of in this industry). You've never faced the threat of bankruptcy or lived through its evils. You've never been furloughed.

You've never walked a picket line, volunteered for your Union, or done a single thing to help your fellow pilots. I'm sure you think yourself as some keyboard warrior, helping everyone by holding feet to the fire, but nobody notices. You're doing nothing except annoying the handful of people who view this forum.

Your compensation has risen 53% (not counting profit sharing, equity stake, and moving to higher-paying equipment) from the rate that you begged to fly for in your interview, but instead of showing appreciation to the union responsible or volunteering to help continue the trend, you'd rather act like a nasty misantrope during every post. I certainly hope you're not like this in real life.

Prove that I'm wrong. Isn't that how it works?

Originally Posted by RockyBoy

Another ALPA insider who can't handle it when someone calls him out on something. Less than 10 posts and you are already starting to throw out personal attacks and say that 07-08 hires are spoiled whiners. Way to go.