Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-29-2015, 03:13 PM
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Carl,
Not necessarily. If money is saved from another part of the operation and applied to pilot pay, the net number may be "cost neutral" but to we pilots, it is a gain. In the case of C2012 management reported savings from up gauging the operation and saving on maintenance expense.
ALPA, generally, tries to stay away from forward-looking projections and stick to real, after the fact, measured results. You can tell us how your pay has worked out since C2012. My Delta W2 delta between years has been (without changing equipment or bidding status):
2011 - Baseline
2012 - 4%
2013 - 27.5%
2014 - 80%
Frankly; when I just ran these numbers they surprised me (income from other jobs outside of Delta has declined, offsetting gains). My best guess is the other factors involved are longevity bumps and the ability to pick up a green slip every other month or so. Because of my other hobbies, I never get more than a one or two-day greenie. All in I fly+credit between 75 and 95 a month.
Contract 2012's scope was a very definite improvement for the pilots which could be reported to investors as "cost neutral" or perhaps even accretive to the Company's bottom line. Using unit cost analysis, flying a passenger on a 717 may be more efficient to Delta than an old CRJ with a topped out crew, but for the new 717 Captain at Delta going to nearly $200 an hour is usually a big raise.
Not sure who you mean by "you guys." You and I are both Delta pilots. I voted against C2012, but with the clarity of 20/20 hindsight it worked well. C2012 was certainly preferable to stagnation.
Continued up gauging will benefit both the pilots and Delta. I get the feeling (subjectively) that the push for C2015 is going to be improvements that you feel more on your end of the seniority list (which will benefit all of us).
Not necessarily. If money is saved from another part of the operation and applied to pilot pay, the net number may be "cost neutral" but to we pilots, it is a gain. In the case of C2012 management reported savings from up gauging the operation and saving on maintenance expense.
ALPA, generally, tries to stay away from forward-looking projections and stick to real, after the fact, measured results. You can tell us how your pay has worked out since C2012. My Delta W2 delta between years has been (without changing equipment or bidding status):
2011 - Baseline
2012 - 4%
2013 - 27.5%
2014 - 80%
Frankly; when I just ran these numbers they surprised me (income from other jobs outside of Delta has declined, offsetting gains). My best guess is the other factors involved are longevity bumps and the ability to pick up a green slip every other month or so. Because of my other hobbies, I never get more than a one or two-day greenie. All in I fly+credit between 75 and 95 a month.
Contract 2012's scope was a very definite improvement for the pilots which could be reported to investors as "cost neutral" or perhaps even accretive to the Company's bottom line. Using unit cost analysis, flying a passenger on a 717 may be more efficient to Delta than an old CRJ with a topped out crew, but for the new 717 Captain at Delta going to nearly $200 an hour is usually a big raise.
Not sure who you mean by "you guys." You and I are both Delta pilots. I voted against C2012, but with the clarity of 20/20 hindsight it worked well. C2012 was certainly preferable to stagnation.
Continued up gauging will benefit both the pilots and Delta. I get the feeling (subjectively) that the push for C2015 is going to be improvements that you feel more on your end of the seniority list (which will benefit all of us).
What I don't understand is guys like you that are spring loaded to the default position of defending management first and trying to explain away things for them.
Carl
01-29-2015, 03:25 PM
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01-29-2015, 03:26 PM
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Just read the Wykoff-ALPA FAA interpretations of Part 117 issued January 20th and it seems that we need to adjust a few things at DAL to be in compliance. It seems to ban our current practice of "pre assuming" acceptance of an FDP extension, and we need to extend the FDP of a reserves last flying day of a rotation by 15 minutes to account for the required schedule check.
Or are we just going to keep pretending that these interpretations and clarifications don't apply to Delta somehow...
Or are we just going to keep pretending that these interpretations and clarifications don't apply to Delta somehow...
01-29-2015, 04:16 PM
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01-29-2015, 04:23 PM
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Dang, I'm beginning to wonder if I still have a job!
I still have not received the email saying my Surface is being sent.........
According to SD's latest, the distribution window is coming to a a close.
Denny
I still have not received the email saying my Surface is being sent.........According to SD's latest, the distribution window is coming to a a close.
Denny
01-29-2015, 04:31 PM
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Anyone know if we will get 2 checks on Friday the 13th? Or 1 big check
01-29-2015, 04:40 PM
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01-29-2015, 04:49 PM
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01-29-2015, 05:00 PM
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Waiting to hear if he moved to the left seat to make taxing to the gate easier.
01-29-2015, 05:12 PM
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Wonder if the FO can get some Capt pay for the solo part?
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