crewdawg52

Stick where it don't shine!

Prolly get banned, but so what. That ****ed me off!

NwaBusDriver

With all of the shenanigans that went on with trip parking I am sure they would find a way to abuse this also. I wouldn't want someone senior in my category biding a trip only to somehow let his out of base buddy be able to fly it.

RonRicco

That is the truth. There were quite a few examples of senior pilots WSing trips for no other reason than to give it to a friend. Not saying it doesn't have some benefits, but without major protections it is ripe for abuse. (At least if you are a fan of a senioirty system)

Sink r8

Absolutely. If anything, we need to take a hard look at such shenanigans, and restrict what I call social access to open time (it's who you know, not your seniority that matters). IMO, the current system is ripe with abuse, and expanding it is absolutely not the answer.

A base's time belongs to a base, and is on loan to the pilot that holds it, until he doesn't want it.

Free Bird

So you're ok taking actions that require fewer pilots? These actions would keep junior people with crappy schedules junior even longer. Very considerate.

sailingfun

Green slips trigger a increase in required manning. Every airline needs a mechanism to cover peaks in flying. Our GS system is one of the most punitive to the company in the industry. In fact reducing GS's is the companies latest focus in crew Skeds.
OOB pickups would be wide open to abuse, smooth manning between bases for the company and reduce jobs. If there is a loophole or way to abuse a system we have pilots who will exploit it. Witness the current mess with TOE trips as a example.

Razor

What's the current mess with TOE trips?

Sink r8

Sort of, but I understand his passion. He's talking about people reaching into his wallet, and his wallet is directly connected to his family's well-being.

OOBS is not a victimless crime. It's an attempt to displace money from some pilots, towards other pilots, not on the basis of seniority, but on the basis of connections working loopholes.

Actually, it's even worse than that. It's not just pilot subgroups staking from other pilot subgroups, it's also a way to screw the group, and help the company, in the aggregate.

If anything he might be too kind. George Carlin had more appropriate expressions for this sort of behavior.

Timbo

Exactly right SF.

And have you seen what the Flight Attendants are doing these days with their private Facebook clubs? The senior mama's pick up trips out of open time, and then give them to their Facebook Friends, wayyyy out of seniority, all done through their (members only) Facebook groups! Sometimes they trade these trips for other 'favors', outside of work type stuff, i.e. they use them for barter. One told me she got new brakes on her car, from the boyfriend of a junior gal she swapped with...

Some F/A's have gone to the company to complain but have gotten zero support. I believe that is because the company LOVES it, they can reduce the reserves required, the trips get covered, and they (finally) get some younger F/A's flying "senior" international trips.

If it were up to the company, they would only have ONE pilot base, and every reserve would fly at least the ALV, every month. Allowing out of base swap board pickups, and out of base white slips, etc. only works in their favor by reducing manning required and reducing GS pay to the pilot group.

slowplay

Are there any other parts of the contract we should ignore because of your "feelings"? Or is the contract only what roadkill approves?

If you don't like something in the book, there's a process to get it changed. Use it. But calling your fellow pilots greedy for using the book that we collectively agreed to is out of line.