Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-14-2015, 03:29 AM
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Even though this is our forum, we're not the intended audience for this discussion, so I see zero upside to it.
It isn't even possible to make intelligent pronouncements on the IAM drive at Delta, because each union behaves differently at each property. There might be pilots here that have a philosophical viewpoint on this issue, or experience with the IAM or AFA elsewhere, but no one, absolutely no one, has any idea how this group would behave with a union, as divided as the FA's are.
DALFA, it's up to you guys to determine whether you're going to swing the momentum towards having an effective, unionized group, or not. It's one of the tests of self-representation. If your drive hinges on support or opposition from other groups, there is a problem.
Good luck.
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01-14-2015, 03:52 AM
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First off, why do you have a copy of our FOM? I don't run around with your inflight manual, nor do I care what's in it. Secondly, the key word/words here are "should" and "whenever possible". Change that to "will" and "at all times" you would have a point. As to my interpretation of the rest of this. 40 minute turns in ATL with a plane swap, the need for food or a dump are all very valid operational reasons to bolt. As a commuter, I typically plan my jumpseats on the flight that leaves 1 after the first flight I could catch so as to factor in being a little late or a drug/alcohol test. That being said, if I've been rerouted(damn near every trip) or running late and there is a chance of missing my jumpseat, you can bet I'm out of there.
So what's the interpretation of FOM 7.1.1:
•While passengers are deplaning, a pilot should stand at the deplaning door to thank our customers whenever possible.
•Pilots should not deplane until all passengers have departed the aircraft, unless early deplaning is necessary for operational reasons or passenger assistance.
•While passengers are deplaning, a pilot should stand at the deplaning door to thank our customers whenever possible.
•Pilots should not deplane until all passengers have departed the aircraft, unless early deplaning is necessary for operational reasons or passenger assistance.
01-14-2015, 04:05 AM
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Loving the C10 ... if I only had the garage space.
Do you know me from High School, or something? My DD then was a 57 Ford Custom Sedan, 390, 4 speed. My favorite builds have always been historically correct, "what if" designs. Like an alternate history for cars. The kind of stuff Steve Strope is now famous for.
I built a "what if Ford had the idea of a GTO 10 years before GM?" ... drivetrain was a 390 (called a "Big Block" but actually a medium block) and (I think it was a Muncie 4 speed) and at 9 inch Ford Rear Axle (which you car is probably already sitting on) with a limited slip differential. While not year correct, I stopped at about 1959, since the 60's stuff was another generation of cars (nobody could differentiate the differential, but the rubber that thing would lay down was legendary enough to get my nemisis kicked out of school when he claimed by "work" as his own)
Don't get me wrong, I dream of the new Ford "Coyote" V8's. But frankly a 50's Ford just isn't a good drive with a high reving modern engine which has the volumetric efficiency of a recent Winston Cup motor. The other issue is size. The DOHC heads are ginormous. Probably fit easily in your car, but I'd do a lot of measuring before buying anything. I assume someone has figured out the electronic engine controls and wiring (that would scare me from a 2012 swap). The suspension on 50's Fords was good for its day and robust, but absolutely terrible by modern standards. The most any sane person is going to do is cruise and enjoy the ocassional hellacious burnout. With those limitations in mind, an old school torquemonster like the 390 is going to drive right, sound right and look right.
The other consideration is, what sells? I've not been in the market recently, but the new Coyote v8 crate motor is easily twice thew money an old school engine would be.
Just my humble opinion. Everybody's got cool ideas and maybe I'm too conservative.
Going to the Detroit Auto Show this year? If so, PM me. I'm going to try to get up there to look at the Mustang 350R (my new Contract 2015 goal). Ford had me at "Flat Plane Crank."
Do you know me from High School, or something? My DD then was a 57 Ford Custom Sedan, 390, 4 speed. My favorite builds have always been historically correct, "what if" designs. Like an alternate history for cars. The kind of stuff Steve Strope is now famous for.
I built a "what if Ford had the idea of a GTO 10 years before GM?" ... drivetrain was a 390 (called a "Big Block" but actually a medium block) and (I think it was a Muncie 4 speed) and at 9 inch Ford Rear Axle (which you car is probably already sitting on) with a limited slip differential. While not year correct, I stopped at about 1959, since the 60's stuff was another generation of cars (nobody could differentiate the differential, but the rubber that thing would lay down was legendary enough to get my nemisis kicked out of school when he claimed by "work" as his own)
Don't get me wrong, I dream of the new Ford "Coyote" V8's. But frankly a 50's Ford just isn't a good drive with a high reving modern engine which has the volumetric efficiency of a recent Winston Cup motor. The other issue is size. The DOHC heads are ginormous. Probably fit easily in your car, but I'd do a lot of measuring before buying anything. I assume someone has figured out the electronic engine controls and wiring (that would scare me from a 2012 swap). The suspension on 50's Fords was good for its day and robust, but absolutely terrible by modern standards. The most any sane person is going to do is cruise and enjoy the ocassional hellacious burnout. With those limitations in mind, an old school torquemonster like the 390 is going to drive right, sound right and look right.
The other consideration is, what sells? I've not been in the market recently, but the new Coyote v8 crate motor is easily twice thew money an old school engine would be.
Just my humble opinion. Everybody's got cool ideas and maybe I'm too conservative.
Going to the Detroit Auto Show this year? If so, PM me. I'm going to try to get up there to look at the Mustang 350R (my new Contract 2015 goal). Ford had me at "Flat Plane Crank."
Thanks for your thoughts. I have nothing against old school...old, old school yes, but carbed big blocks are great, I just sold two yesterday. Chevys are great for the interchangeability. Sbc's are hard to beat for cheap dependable interchangeable power and reliability. As far as suspension, I've clipped many old vehicles, camaro subs and rears, late model gto irs' etc. 03 and up crown Vic's have the unboltable aluminum front cradle, etc. suspension is not an issue. This car has already got a Grenada front suspension with power steering and disc brakes, it was nicely done.
The car is being delivered today, both actually and I won't be doing anything with it for at least a month. I like the 390 idea, but it'll probably get a six speed so I can enjoy some highway mileage. It does have a ford 9 with 4:10 gearing so without overdrive, it's a gas hog.
I'll continue to ponder...I just finished building a 327 with vortec heads, mild build, lunati cam, 10:1 pistons, new high quality everything, etc 406 hp it's gotta go in something, but not this ford.
As I said, this car kinda fell in my lap. I was looking for a 55 post chevy, but I think it'll be a keeper. What's funny is, being a chevy guy, I never knew ford made anything this cool looking. It's just right in so many ways that (sacrilegiously) the 57 chevy is not.
Keep me posted on the drivetrain thoughts.
Bad flaps, the 4.6 is well known for bent rods.
01-14-2015, 05:26 AM
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Bar,
Thanks for your thoughts. I have nothing against old school...old, old school yes, but carbed big blocks are great, I just sold two yesterday. Chevys are great for the interchangeability. Sbc's are hard to beat for cheap dependable interchangeable power and reliability. As far as suspension, I've clipped many old vehicles, camaro subs and rears, late model gto irs' etc. 03 and up crown Vic's have the unboltable aluminum front cradle, etc. suspension is not an issue. This car has already got a Grenada front suspension with power steering and disc brakes, it was nicely done.
The car is being delivered today, both actually and I won't be doing anything with it for at least a month. I like the 390 idea, but it'll probably get a six speed so I can enjoy some highway mileage. It does have a ford 9 with 4:10 gearing so without overdrive, it's a gas hog.
I'll continue to ponder...I just finished building a 327 with vortec heads, mild build, lunati cam, 10:1 pistons, new high quality everything, etc 406 hp it's gotta go in something, but not this ford.
As I said, this car kinda fell in my lap. I was looking for a 55 post chevy, but I think it'll be a keeper. What's funny is, being a chevy guy, I never knew ford made anything this cool looking. It's just right in so many ways that (sacrilegiously) the 57 chevy is not.
Keep me posted on the drivetrain thoughts.
Bad flaps, the 4.6 is well known for bent rods.
Thanks for your thoughts. I have nothing against old school...old, old school yes, but carbed big blocks are great, I just sold two yesterday. Chevys are great for the interchangeability. Sbc's are hard to beat for cheap dependable interchangeable power and reliability. As far as suspension, I've clipped many old vehicles, camaro subs and rears, late model gto irs' etc. 03 and up crown Vic's have the unboltable aluminum front cradle, etc. suspension is not an issue. This car has already got a Grenada front suspension with power steering and disc brakes, it was nicely done.
The car is being delivered today, both actually and I won't be doing anything with it for at least a month. I like the 390 idea, but it'll probably get a six speed so I can enjoy some highway mileage. It does have a ford 9 with 4:10 gearing so without overdrive, it's a gas hog.
I'll continue to ponder...I just finished building a 327 with vortec heads, mild build, lunati cam, 10:1 pistons, new high quality everything, etc 406 hp it's gotta go in something, but not this ford.
As I said, this car kinda fell in my lap. I was looking for a 55 post chevy, but I think it'll be a keeper. What's funny is, being a chevy guy, I never knew ford made anything this cool looking. It's just right in so many ways that (sacrilegiously) the 57 chevy is not.
Keep me posted on the drivetrain thoughts.
Bad flaps, the 4.6 is well known for bent rods.
Dude, you are light years ahead of me. I wish I had your skills, shop & time. Thank you for what you do. For every guy like you, there are a hundred guys like me with two young kids (no time) who appreciate your work.
01-14-2015, 05:30 AM
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Scambo and Buckingbar.....can I just come and hang out in your garage and learn by osmosis? I'll bring the IPA. I love early 60's Lead Sleds. Have had 3 '64 Impalas. Want a 4th one, but this time want an SS and also semi "looking" for a '64 Thunderbird.
01-14-2015, 06:00 AM
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FOM is available to anyone who has access to DeltaNet. Same as IFS's red book. As for what's in it, the look on a FA's face when you tell them they are wrong about something and reference them to section XX of their book to prove it is priceless!
01-14-2015, 06:01 AM
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No offense, but isn't a F/A being on his/her phone during deplaning or taxi-in the same as pilots who leave the aircraft to get lunch or catch a commuter flight before all passengers are deplaned? Last I checked doesn't the FOM have something in there about that? Yet...i've never seen a F/A complain about it since it didn't cause any issues.
01-14-2015, 06:03 AM
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01-14-2015, 06:09 AM
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So I don't always tell the passengers goodbye, but here's why.
I fly a DC-9 with a CRJ200 galley. In that galley will be two FAs. Typically one will take position at the cockpit door while the other stands in the galley.
So I need to move them back into the galley, so I stand up. And breath down their necks until they move. Which doesn't always happen, sometimes they stay. But if I can get them to move I now have two FAs in the galley. Which is about the time the caterer shows up and he wants to be not only where they are standing but also where people are exiting.
Which is a problem. Because the place where people are exiting has now been commandeered by cleaners who look as if their lives have been threatened if the airplane is not cleaned before everyone gets off.
So it's crowded. And there's also another problem. According to Jughead when I come out of the cockpit it looks from the back like the 717 cockpit is giving birth to FTB. Complete with some struggling. And I come out head first. I try not to do the breached baby look. You see my shoulders are wider than the door. Which is a common problem if you're over 5'9 on the 717. But it's a big problem for me.
Plus I can't stand up straight in the door way so as people walk up I'm actually hunched over leaning forward towards them. It looks like a dog in a kennel one size to small for the purpose of teaching that dog a lesson. So that means to give everyone some space I need to go the jetway. Where the cleaners are.
And I'm not sure if you folks realize but there's a garage like door on the jetway about four feet from the fuselage. So I need to stand beyond that door area where there's free and open space... But of course that area is already taken by four cleaners and their bags, a mechanic who has shown up hoping there's nothing that needs to be done, and possibly two unattended wheelchairs.
So all I can do is stand right next to the door, which means as people round the corner to leave the airplane they are suddenly greeted by me as if it's the tarmac in Honolulu and I'm going to present them a lay. I'm not. Or I'm there to hold their hand, which they do occasionally reach for as they trip off. But really I'm just there to say thanks for flying with us, but unfortunately I feel as if I jus jumped out of a cake and surprised them:
I think it's better if I just never try.
I fly a DC-9 with a CRJ200 galley. In that galley will be two FAs. Typically one will take position at the cockpit door while the other stands in the galley.
So I need to move them back into the galley, so I stand up. And breath down their necks until they move. Which doesn't always happen, sometimes they stay. But if I can get them to move I now have two FAs in the galley. Which is about the time the caterer shows up and he wants to be not only where they are standing but also where people are exiting.
Which is a problem. Because the place where people are exiting has now been commandeered by cleaners who look as if their lives have been threatened if the airplane is not cleaned before everyone gets off.
So it's crowded. And there's also another problem. According to Jughead when I come out of the cockpit it looks from the back like the 717 cockpit is giving birth to FTB. Complete with some struggling. And I come out head first. I try not to do the breached baby look. You see my shoulders are wider than the door. Which is a common problem if you're over 5'9 on the 717. But it's a big problem for me.
Plus I can't stand up straight in the door way so as people walk up I'm actually hunched over leaning forward towards them. It looks like a dog in a kennel one size to small for the purpose of teaching that dog a lesson. So that means to give everyone some space I need to go the jetway. Where the cleaners are.
And I'm not sure if you folks realize but there's a garage like door on the jetway about four feet from the fuselage. So I need to stand beyond that door area where there's free and open space... But of course that area is already taken by four cleaners and their bags, a mechanic who has shown up hoping there's nothing that needs to be done, and possibly two unattended wheelchairs.
So all I can do is stand right next to the door, which means as people round the corner to leave the airplane they are suddenly greeted by me as if it's the tarmac in Honolulu and I'm going to present them a lay. I'm not. Or I'm there to hold their hand, which they do occasionally reach for as they trip off. But really I'm just there to say thanks for flying with us, but unfortunately I feel as if I jus jumped out of a cake and surprised them:
I think it's better if I just never try.
01-14-2015, 06:40 AM
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