Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-11-2009, 03:21 PM
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I think that you are confusing award/avoid logic with prefer off logic. Prefer off days are the only thing that have left to right priority.
Are you bidding for reserve or a line (pairings)?
If bidding for a line of pairings: Your bid above is going to read line one and take any trip that touches those days out of the pool (not to be assigned to you), then it will read line 2 and remove the trips that work on the 27th from the pool (it will also try and remove trips on the 25, 24 & 26 but those have already been removed). It will then read line three and just as above, remove trips that work on the 23rd.
Now, if you go into denial, after it has removed the lower negative preferences (avoids), it will get up to line 3, remove 23rd from the line (add those trips into your pool), wipe your schedule clean and rerun the bid from line 1. If still not a legal line, it will then add in the trips that operate on the 27, wipe your schedule clean and rerun from line 1....then, if it must, add in the trips that touch the 26...and so on for each day listed in line 3.
Are you bidding for reserve or a line (pairings)?
If bidding for a line of pairings: Your bid above is going to read line one and take any trip that touches those days out of the pool (not to be assigned to you), then it will read line 2 and remove the trips that work on the 27th from the pool (it will also try and remove trips on the 25, 24 & 26 but those have already been removed). It will then read line three and just as above, remove trips that work on the 23rd.
Now, if you go into denial, after it has removed the lower negative preferences (avoids), it will get up to line 3, remove 23rd from the line (add those trips into your pool), wipe your schedule clean and rerun the bid from line 1. If still not a legal line, it will then add in the trips that operate on the 27, wipe your schedule clean and rerun from line 1....then, if it must, add in the trips that touch the 26...and so on for each day listed in line 3.
Since I did not trust DAL to manage my money when times were good, I set up my own supplemental retirement plans. I have no kids.. the same wife I started with and no toys (although I would really really like to have a big sailboat.. and if anybody is interested in a partnership.. send me a PM )
And if it does sink it's only because he wasn't paying attention and ran it aground trying to avoid my sunken dream.
Ugh, if only. I'm going to reduce my raw that day.
11-11-2009, 03:38 PM
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Ok, I just read the PBS notepad on reserve bidding logic and I pretty sure I understand it now. Thanks again for all the help guys!!!
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11-11-2009, 04:26 PM
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To ACL:
You won't be debt free when you get displaced to Detroit and have to buy a new house!
To New K:
A DB plan does just the opposite of what you want. It forces people to retire on someone else's timeline. A good DC plan is what will allow folks to retire early. You're right it doesn't help the Deadzoners now. But in the long run it provides today's junior pilots the opportunity to leave the job on their own terms well ahead of any DB pension. That is until the government seizes all 401ks.
We should immediately raise the pay of the years 1-5. That would be the biggest wealth building move a union could do for its members. The value of an extra dollar in year one is exponentially higher than the value of that dollar in year 20.
If the company ever offers a return to the DB for something, you can bet that Ch 11 is just around the corner.
You won't be debt free when you get displaced to Detroit and have to buy a new house!
To New K:
A DB plan does just the opposite of what you want. It forces people to retire on someone else's timeline. A good DC plan is what will allow folks to retire early. You're right it doesn't help the Deadzoners now. But in the long run it provides today's junior pilots the opportunity to leave the job on their own terms well ahead of any DB pension. That is until the government seizes all 401ks.
We should immediately raise the pay of the years 1-5. That would be the biggest wealth building move a union could do for its members. The value of an extra dollar in year one is exponentially higher than the value of that dollar in year 20.
If the company ever offers a return to the DB for something, you can bet that Ch 11 is just around the corner.
11-11-2009, 04:30 PM
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Lots of good stuff leaking out of the Kremlin these days, FWIW.
Looks like more 90's have been purchased but will not make the 2010 flt sked. ( 9 90's from that airline we have been talking about in China)
Might see an uptick to summer 2010 block hrs.
told ya about SOC
maybe some 9's to ATL
bid will open prior to SOC and close after the "effective" date of SOC
getting closer to needed new bodies, not sure if just when.
That is all I will talk about....
Looks like more 90's have been purchased but will not make the 2010 flt sked. ( 9 90's from that airline we have been talking about in China)
Might see an uptick to summer 2010 block hrs.
told ya about SOC
maybe some 9's to ATL
bid will open prior to SOC and close after the "effective" date of SOC
getting closer to needed new bodies, not sure if just when.
That is all I will talk about....
11-11-2009, 04:53 PM
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Lots of good stuff leaking out of the Kremlin these days, FWIW.
Looks like more 90's have been purchased but will not make the 2010 flt sked. ( 9 90's from that airline we have been talking about in China)
Might see an uptick to summer 2010 block hrs.
told ya about SOC
maybe some 9's to ATL
bid will open prior to SOC and close after the "effective" date of SOC
getting closer to needed new bodies, not sure if just when.
That is all I will talk about....
Looks like more 90's have been purchased but will not make the 2010 flt sked. ( 9 90's from that airline we have been talking about in China)
Might see an uptick to summer 2010 block hrs.
told ya about SOC
maybe some 9's to ATL
bid will open prior to SOC and close after the "effective" date of SOC
getting closer to needed new bodies, not sure if just when.
That is all I will talk about....
And what's up with the MOAB's coming up? Will people really be able to move around that much without growth?
PS DAL-S guys, I just want DTW A320B back. I don't want a DAL-S base.
11-11-2009, 05:04 PM
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Only 9 MD-90's? Are we holding onto the DC9-30's longer then the end of 2010 now? 9 MD-90's won't cover the DC9-30's getting parked, but if we are getting close to needing new bodies then something is up.
And what's up with the MOAB's coming up? Will people really be able to move around that much without growth?
PS DAL-S guys, I just want DTW A320B back. I don't want a DAL-S base.
And what's up with the MOAB's coming up? Will people really be able to move around that much without growth?
PS DAL-S guys, I just want DTW A320B back. I don't want a DAL-S base.
9 is a start. I have heard 65 MD-90's total but that is a long term plan. I am sure that more will be on the way going forward.
Just poking around it sounds like the AE will be open longer than the standard 10 days.
11-11-2009, 05:08 PM
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There are ~35 30/40's. I could easily this number being covered by MD90's over the next two years....
11-11-2009, 05:11 PM
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Satchip has a boat, sort of. Its a part of a floating trailer park at St. Martin. It's a repulsive crimson red with a white stripe. I'd be leary of making a partnership with it as it might sink two days after Thanksgiving.
And if it does sink it's only because he wasn't paying attention and ran it aground trying to avoid my sunken dream. Ugh, if only. I'm going to reduce my raw that day.
And if it does sink it's only because he wasn't paying attention and ran it aground trying to avoid my sunken dream.
Ugh, if only. I'm going to reduce my raw that day. He never answers my posts anymore... and I'll be wearing crimson on dec 5th. hmmmmmmmm
11-11-2009, 05:17 PM
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Oh yeah, SOC will take effect on or around 12.31.09. It will be signed a few weeks prior to that.
It still sounds like the bid will be a biggie.
It still sounds like the bid will be a biggie.
11-11-2009, 05:22 PM
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