Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-30-2014, 06:45 PM
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Pretty good memory, I loved that commercial. 
12-30-2014, 06:46 PM
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But that's good advice. Beats trying to log on to icrew on the phone while driving.
12-30-2014, 06:58 PM
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They're like lincoln logs but so much better.
When I was EWR based many years ago I remember the city of Newark getting a cut (I was a Gawga resident then) and I couldn't get it back on taxes. Maybe something changed but this was back in 2004-2005, so hopefully it's gone away.
NY can't take a cut if your living somewhere else. We fall under federal law that states if you are a transportation worker and do not do more then 50% of your work in one state then state tax obligations fall to your state of residence. I have flown 15 years out of NY and they have never made even a attempt to tax me.
12-30-2014, 07:03 PM
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I got in from running sound at church one evening and a buddy came over... video games and whiskey were going to happen. I poured a glass, sat it on the table, and went about getting stuff done around the house before I sat down.
Finally, I sat down, picked up the glass to take a first sip... and ring ring comes the green slip call for a "as soon as you can" GS. I was a couple seconds away from losing a couple grand with that glass of whiskey! I tasked my friend to figure out how to get it back in the bottle while I ironed my uniform.
12-30-2014, 07:05 PM
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The only caveat being the length of the Green Slip. Hate to get a one day then see the junior guy get a four day.
In some categories we are short enough that a guy can be picky about his Green Slip flying. I know some who are only interested in 2+ days, or certain cities.
In some categories we are short enough that a guy can be picky about his Green Slip flying. I know some who are only interested in 2+ days, or certain cities.
Most of the GS's that I don't acknowledge are for just this reason. I hate to take a 1 day GS on a Thursday then see a bunch of 3 days go out over the weekend. A GS raw score would solve that issue.
12-30-2014, 07:15 PM
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If they've already moved on, it's likely pulled off your line as soon as they hang up anyways.
I got in from running sound at church one evening and a buddy came over... video games and whiskey were going to happen. I poured a glass, sat it on the table, and went about getting stuff done around the house before I sat down.
Finally, I sat down, picked up the glass to take a first sip... and ring ring comes the green slip call for a "as soon as you can" GS. I was a couple seconds away from losing a couple grand with that glass of whiskey! I tasked my friend to figure out how to get it back in the bottle while I ironed my uniform.
I got in from running sound at church one evening and a buddy came over... video games and whiskey were going to happen. I poured a glass, sat it on the table, and went about getting stuff done around the house before I sat down.
Finally, I sat down, picked up the glass to take a first sip... and ring ring comes the green slip call for a "as soon as you can" GS. I was a couple seconds away from losing a couple grand with that glass of whiskey! I tasked my friend to figure out how to get it back in the bottle while I ironed my uniform.
12-30-2014, 07:34 PM
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haha, ftb!
Now you know how the pros do it.
Now you know how the pros do it.
12-30-2014, 07:59 PM
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Now let's say that pilot is a line holder. They would get double pay* for that trip or 10.30 x 2 = 21 x $190/hr = $3990. They are gone just slightly more than 19 hours and flew just slightly less than 4 hours. So they basically made about $1,000 per flight hour if you want to look at it that way. And btw, they were done by 9am. Crack open a beer when you have a GS sitting out there and then have scheduling call and thus you have the $4000 beer in your hands. Enjoy.
FWIW there are shorter two day trips than that with less than 2 hours of flying on the 717 but on a GS would still be 21 hours. The holy grail for Atlantians is a two leg CHA/HSV/SAV/CAE/GSP/BHM overnight with min rest of 10 hours on a GS.
*Double pay happens for a line holder if they've hit the trigger which is either the ALV (82 hours this month on ATL717A) or 75 hours, whichever is less. So 75 is less and assuming they are above 75 hours they get double pay. Say they have 70. Then the first 5 hours of their 10.30 goes towards getting them to 75, then after that the remaining 5.30 is double pay or 11 hours.
For a RES pilot it'd be above guarantee not double pay. But let's say your reserve guarantee is 78.30 hours this month on the 777. You never get called out. You then on your days off get a 4-day 32.08 hour trip (ATL-JNB-ATL). You get 78.30 + 32.08 = whatever that is and you only flew 32.08... of which 14 hours you were in the back sleeping or watching a movie.
So 110.38 hours of pay, i.e. $20K, for working 4 days and sitting in a cockpit for 15-16 hours total. On the domestic side you'd try for rolling thunder if the category was habitually short staffed, so say the res guarantee is 80 hours, fly one GS trip on res on your days off and you're now at 85.15. Get that day off returned and oh, lookie here, another bite. A 3-day. So now add 15.45 hours to 85.15 and you've got 101 hours on 4 days of flying. Get those days off back. Rinse repeat your way to 160 hours. If the category is properly staffed, which is a good thing in many ways too, but you can kiss GSs or multiple ones goodbye.
12-30-2014, 08:01 PM
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Actually, this was from Alfraromeo from 2009 during the merger. A few things have changed recently so it needs a little tweaking by someone who unlike me won't screw up the tweaks. Any takers?
In case any NW pilot cares, I am going to try to give an unofficial, line pilot's guide to our scheduling system. I am hoping this is a "wiki" type effort, where other people will add to and correct my info. I am going to start with definitions with more to come. I am sure that there is an official guide being worked up, but this may get some NW pilots some info in the meantime.
TLV - Targeted Line Value - (range 74-79) - This number keeps Delta management from over scheduling and under scheduling pilots consistently. This number is for the pilots. It is the 12 month average of the ALV in a position (aircraft and seat, for example 777 co-pilot). Delta cannot consistently use an ALV of 82, because then the average will be too high.
ALV - Average Line Value - (range 72-82) - This is the average number of hours scheduled for each regular line holder each month. It is not the maximum you can fly. This number is for management so they can adjust our flying to meet their marketing schedule.
LCW - Line Construction Window - (range + or - 7.5 hours from the ALV, with some exceptions at the high and low ends) - This allows pilots to build their schedules to meet their needs. A very tight LCW would force pilots to give up days off they want or eliminate pattern bids in order to fit their schedule into a narrow band. Sometimes you get a high value line, sometimes low, but you can always try to pick up more later.
White Slip (yes it used to be a white piece of paper, now it is computerized) - This is a request for a regular line holder to get more time at straight pay. The limit is 15 hours above the ALV. So if your ALV is 77, then you can pick up to 92 hours with a white slip. White slips have priority over reserve pilots.
Green Slip - Request to fly for double pay. These are given out only when they are out of reserve pilots. The Green Slip trigger is 75 hours or the ALV whichever is less. You can get a Green Slip and get paid some straight pay and some double pay. For example if you are scheduled for 72 hours in a month with an ALV of 75. If you get a Green Slip, the first 3 hours will be straight pay and the rest will be double pay. Reserve pilots can Green Slip on their off days and they get paid straight pay, on top of the reserve guarantee, and then they get their off days paid back. For example, a reserve pilot gets a 2 day green slip worth 11 hours. He would get paid his guarantee (70) and the green slip (11) for 81 hours. He would then get his next two on-call days off as pay back. When manning is short, reserve pilots keep on requesting to fly on their off days, and then keep getting more off days. This is called rolling thunder.
Inverse Assignment (IA) - Junior manning. Always double pay. Don't answer the phone if you don't want to fly it. They now have a system where they robo-call the whole base when they are junior manning. You can ignore the call, listen to your voice mail, and then call back if you want the trip.
Long Call Reserve - 12 hour notification. When you are on long call, you never have to answer the phone (and most pilots don't). You do have to listen to your message and acknowledge the trip within 3 hours of the report time. For example, it is 7 pm. Scheduling can assign you a trip starting at 7 am the next morning. You have to acknowledge the call by 4 am. Most pilots let the phone ring, and then listen to voice mail and then acknowledge by calling or signing on to the computer. Scheduling will call up to two numbers in the database.
Short Call Reserve - Limit of 6 per month. They have to give you 9 hours rest before short call. Domestic short call is 12 hours long, international 24. They stagger the start of short call periods during the day. On short call you have to be "promptly available" which is generally considered 2 hours. Traffic problems are considered legitimate excuses to be later than 2 hours. Living in Tampa and being based in Atlanta is not considered a legitimate excuse to be later than 2 hours.
RAW Values (Reserve Assignment Weighting) - Instead of a first in first out system, Delta assigns points to reserves based on the number of hours you have flown and the number of duty periods you have worked. The person with the lowest RAW value (least amount of flying) is given the next trip. You can put your trip preferences in the computer when you are on reserve. If a group of pilots are all being given trips, then they will go in seniority order and try to give the more senior pilots in the group the trips they desire.
In general, scheduling fills trips in the following order:
1. White slips in seniority order
2. Reserve pilots
3. Green slips in seniority order
4. Inverse assignments
There are actually 20 or more steps that include instructors and out of base pilots but in general it is what is listed above.
TLV - Targeted Line Value - (range 74-79) - This number keeps Delta management from over scheduling and under scheduling pilots consistently. This number is for the pilots. It is the 12 month average of the ALV in a position (aircraft and seat, for example 777 co-pilot). Delta cannot consistently use an ALV of 82, because then the average will be too high.
ALV - Average Line Value - (range 72-82) - This is the average number of hours scheduled for each regular line holder each month. It is not the maximum you can fly. This number is for management so they can adjust our flying to meet their marketing schedule.
LCW - Line Construction Window - (range + or - 7.5 hours from the ALV, with some exceptions at the high and low ends) - This allows pilots to build their schedules to meet their needs. A very tight LCW would force pilots to give up days off they want or eliminate pattern bids in order to fit their schedule into a narrow band. Sometimes you get a high value line, sometimes low, but you can always try to pick up more later.
White Slip (yes it used to be a white piece of paper, now it is computerized) - This is a request for a regular line holder to get more time at straight pay. The limit is 15 hours above the ALV. So if your ALV is 77, then you can pick up to 92 hours with a white slip. White slips have priority over reserve pilots.
Green Slip - Request to fly for double pay. These are given out only when they are out of reserve pilots. The Green Slip trigger is 75 hours or the ALV whichever is less. You can get a Green Slip and get paid some straight pay and some double pay. For example if you are scheduled for 72 hours in a month with an ALV of 75. If you get a Green Slip, the first 3 hours will be straight pay and the rest will be double pay. Reserve pilots can Green Slip on their off days and they get paid straight pay, on top of the reserve guarantee, and then they get their off days paid back. For example, a reserve pilot gets a 2 day green slip worth 11 hours. He would get paid his guarantee (70) and the green slip (11) for 81 hours. He would then get his next two on-call days off as pay back. When manning is short, reserve pilots keep on requesting to fly on their off days, and then keep getting more off days. This is called rolling thunder.
Inverse Assignment (IA) - Junior manning. Always double pay. Don't answer the phone if you don't want to fly it. They now have a system where they robo-call the whole base when they are junior manning. You can ignore the call, listen to your voice mail, and then call back if you want the trip.
Long Call Reserve - 12 hour notification. When you are on long call, you never have to answer the phone (and most pilots don't). You do have to listen to your message and acknowledge the trip within 3 hours of the report time. For example, it is 7 pm. Scheduling can assign you a trip starting at 7 am the next morning. You have to acknowledge the call by 4 am. Most pilots let the phone ring, and then listen to voice mail and then acknowledge by calling or signing on to the computer. Scheduling will call up to two numbers in the database.
Short Call Reserve - Limit of 6 per month. They have to give you 9 hours rest before short call. Domestic short call is 12 hours long, international 24. They stagger the start of short call periods during the day. On short call you have to be "promptly available" which is generally considered 2 hours. Traffic problems are considered legitimate excuses to be later than 2 hours. Living in Tampa and being based in Atlanta is not considered a legitimate excuse to be later than 2 hours.
RAW Values (Reserve Assignment Weighting) - Instead of a first in first out system, Delta assigns points to reserves based on the number of hours you have flown and the number of duty periods you have worked. The person with the lowest RAW value (least amount of flying) is given the next trip. You can put your trip preferences in the computer when you are on reserve. If a group of pilots are all being given trips, then they will go in seniority order and try to give the more senior pilots in the group the trips they desire.
In general, scheduling fills trips in the following order:
1. White slips in seniority order
2. Reserve pilots
3. Green slips in seniority order
4. Inverse assignments
There are actually 20 or more steps that include instructors and out of base pilots but in general it is what is listed above.
12-30-2014, 08:21 PM
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So this French Pilot set up a web site & app that has girls send pictures and videos for him to Certify them into his modelling, party, corporate entertainment business. The whole shebang* is aviation themed & so blatant even the French think it is sexist.
I think FTB is brilliant. Can not believe someone beat him to this idea.
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