Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-28-2014, 01:13 PM
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Yep. No matter how understaffed the category, if you are a senior 7ER or 73N captain (or F/O) and fly nothing but high time turns to places like SJU, STT and LIR, you put those things on the swapboard and they are quickly gone. The only exception would be holidays and the like.
And I do know a few guys who bid nothing but these and drop what they don't feel like flying and end up flying 50-60 hours a month. To be fair they are the exception but it is certainly not unheard of.
And I do know a few guys who bid nothing but these and drop what they don't feel like flying and end up flying 50-60 hours a month. To be fair they are the exception but it is certainly not unheard of.
12-28-2014, 01:18 PM
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Vacation contract improvements
It's been awhile since I've posted here, but here it goes.
One quality of life contract improvement that should cost us almost nil would be travel during an awarded vacation period. How about one round trip PS for you and eligible primary pass members traveling with you. Book it within 1 month of travel and if Y class is available, you get it.
This crap of working for an airline with inaccessible pass travel needs to be addressed. It would be nice to travel on my own airline with my family once a year without having to pay for a 75% ticket.
The problem is we would probably negotiate it for all the employees like profit sharing or crew meals (remember what those were).
BD
One quality of life contract improvement that should cost us almost nil would be travel during an awarded vacation period. How about one round trip PS for you and eligible primary pass members traveling with you. Book it within 1 month of travel and if Y class is available, you get it.
This crap of working for an airline with inaccessible pass travel needs to be addressed. It would be nice to travel on my own airline with my family once a year without having to pay for a 75% ticket.
The problem is we would probably negotiate it for all the employees like profit sharing or crew meals (remember what those were).
BD
12-28-2014, 01:55 PM
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it's been awhile since i've posted here, but here it goes.
One quality of life contract improvement that should cost us almost nil would be travel during an awarded vacation period. How about one round trip ps for you and eligible primary pass members traveling with you. Book it within 1 month of travel and if y class is available, you get it.
This crap of working for an airline with inaccessible pass travel needs to be addressed. It would be nice to travel on my own airline with my family once a year without having to pay for a 75% ticket.
The problem is we would probably negotiate it for all the employees like profit sharing or crew meals (remember what those were).
Bd
One quality of life contract improvement that should cost us almost nil would be travel during an awarded vacation period. How about one round trip ps for you and eligible primary pass members traveling with you. Book it within 1 month of travel and if y class is available, you get it.
This crap of working for an airline with inaccessible pass travel needs to be addressed. It would be nice to travel on my own airline with my family once a year without having to pay for a 75% ticket.
The problem is we would probably negotiate it for all the employees like profit sharing or crew meals (remember what those were).
Bd
yes yes yes yes yes
12-28-2014, 02:34 PM
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It's been awhile since I've posted here, but here it goes.
One quality of life contract improvement that should cost us almost nil would be travel during an awarded vacation period. How about one round trip PS for you and eligible primary pass members traveling with you. Book it within 1 month of travel and if Y class is available, you get it.
This crap of working for an airline with inaccessible pass travel needs to be addressed. It would be nice to travel on my own airline with my family once a year without having to pay for a 75% ticket.
The problem is we would probably negotiate it for all the employees like profit sharing or crew meals (remember what those were).
BD
One quality of life contract improvement that should cost us almost nil would be travel during an awarded vacation period. How about one round trip PS for you and eligible primary pass members traveling with you. Book it within 1 month of travel and if Y class is available, you get it.
This crap of working for an airline with inaccessible pass travel needs to be addressed. It would be nice to travel on my own airline with my family once a year without having to pay for a 75% ticket.
The problem is we would probably negotiate it for all the employees like profit sharing or crew meals (remember what those were).
BD
For example at the beginning of C2012, RA said that we had this much money available for our contract. It was up to us to decide how we were going to portion off the money to each section of the contract. So say we actually did negotiate positive space vacation passes and the company puts a value of $15 million on that item then turns around and gives it to the other employee groups then we get that $15 million taken off the ledger.
Just my opinion.
12-28-2014, 03:12 PM
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It's been awhile since I've posted here, but here it goes.
One quality of life contract improvement that should cost us almost nil would be travel during an awarded vacation period. How about one round trip PS for you and eligible primary pass members traveling with you. Book it within 1 month of travel and if Y class is available, you get it.
This crap of working for an airline with inaccessible pass travel needs to be addressed. It would be nice to travel on my own airline with my family once a year without having to pay for a 75% ticket.
The problem is we would probably negotiate it for all the employees like profit sharing or crew meals (remember what those were).
BD
One quality of life contract improvement that should cost us almost nil would be travel during an awarded vacation period. How about one round trip PS for you and eligible primary pass members traveling with you. Book it within 1 month of travel and if Y class is available, you get it.
This crap of working for an airline with inaccessible pass travel needs to be addressed. It would be nice to travel on my own airline with my family once a year without having to pay for a 75% ticket.
The problem is we would probably negotiate it for all the employees like profit sharing or crew meals (remember what those were).
BD
An S2 "vacation pass" used to get you on all but a couple days of the year. Now it just puts you on the top of the bumped list.
12-28-2014, 03:32 PM
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I'd even go for a set of PS passes if you make it thru the year without a sick out. That's not enough to make me fly sick, but would be a nice pat on the back.
An S2 "vacation pass" used to get you on all but a couple days of the year. Now it just puts you on the top of the bumped list.
An S2 "vacation pass" used to get you on all but a couple days of the year. Now it just puts you on the top of the bumped list.
I worked for Continental Express and if you didn't call in sick for the quarter you got your name in a hat for a Ford Explorer. All employees of Continental/Coex were eligible. Your chances of winning it were slim, but there were guys who would come to work sick as dogs so they could get their name in the hat for the Explorer.
A PS ticket once a year during vacation is a great idea. Let's not tie it to sick time though.
12-28-2014, 03:34 PM
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I sent an email to my rep about this exact thing. I know that officially we don't negotiate for the other employee groups however when we do negotiate an item for the pilot group and the company turns around and GIVES it to the other employee groups which then dilutes the item then it shouldn't be assessed against us for negotiation purposes.
For example at the beginning of C2012, RA said that we had this much money available for our contract. It was up to us to decide how we were going to portion off the money to each section of the contract. So say we actually did negotiate positive space vacation passes and the company puts a value of $15 million on that item then turns around and gives it to the other employee groups then we get that $15 million taken off the ledger.
Just my opinion.
For example at the beginning of C2012, RA said that we had this much money available for our contract. It was up to us to decide how we were going to portion off the money to each section of the contract. So say we actually did negotiate positive space vacation passes and the company puts a value of $15 million on that item then turns around and gives it to the other employee groups then we get that $15 million taken off the ledger.
Just my opinion.
12-28-2014, 03:58 PM
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That is why the best thing that could ever happen to us as a pilot group would be for the flight attendants to vote in a union. Agents would probably be good to have unionized as well. Then they will have to negotiate what they get instead of getting what we pay for. I like how it isn't a two way street as well....I think everyone else gets holiday pay.
12-28-2014, 04:11 PM
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You do have to admit it would be in our best interests to have at least the FA group unionized so everything we try to negotiate like PS passes for vacation don't have to be costed out as if the FA's will get them as well.
12-28-2014, 04:32 PM
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So we are better off having them non-union so the company can make more money? Why don't we just go non-union then maybe they will have enough money to give us PS passes for vacation.
You do have to admit it would be in our best interests to have at least the FA group unionized so everything we try to negotiate like PS passes for vacation don't have to be costed out as if the FA's will get them as well.
You do have to admit it would be in our best interests to have at least the FA group unionized so everything we try to negotiate like PS passes for vacation don't have to be costed out as if the FA's will get them as well.
Of course we could go non Union. I suspect the very first thing the company would do is eliminate all caps for us. You can kiss your advancement goodbye for a long time! They will tell you it's a pay raise and for your own good!
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