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Old 12-22-2014, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Step back Jack!

The only time in your life where this will be the correct answer...




Because we've always done it that way.
Also one place, right place!
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Old 12-22-2014, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Maybe we're not doing it right then. The #bestofthebest across the pond can fireball an engine on takeoff, QRH complete and press on above every airport in the entire USA and then cross the Atlantic on 3 engines, even while burning more fuel, declaring an emergency because of that and landing short.

Diversions? We no need no steenking diversions.
Wow, that would make a good movie, you are wasting your time flying.
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Old 12-22-2014, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Rudder
If I were mgt. I would be asking for the moon as well for one simple reason, we always vote it in.

Why quit now?
Exactly, how about just NO to longer freezes.
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Old 12-22-2014, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
That's fine, but it puts the cart before the horse in my opinion. The first step is preparing the pilots for the biggest fear campaign they've ever seen to pass another cost neutral C2015. We have to prepare ourselves and simply vote NO when it comes out as not restoring our pay and is fully funded by profit sharing cuts and other concessions. But we'll have to do so with an MEC administration that will pull out every stop to scare you into a YES vote. No holds will be barred. They've promised RA that labor risk is 100% off the table, and they intend to deliver on that promise. Our collective NO votes would be a huge blow to the Moak philosophy of being a "new style" of labor union.

Preparing for the unprecedented fear campaign is the key.

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Absoultey. The campaign has already started.

Bucking Bar and the other usual suspects are already instilling Fear/Uncertainty/Doubt, yet claim that no contact or discussions with the company have taken place. Pure garbage.

Does anyone believe management and the MEC aren't back-channeling negotiation issues, and laying the groundwork for another C12-style self-funded contract?

Deep down, if we look at DALPA's history of appeasement, coupled with the utter lack of leadership from Donatelli, I think we all realize the TA will be inadequate; DALPA will embark on another full-bore scare campaign.

We must be prepared to vote NO.

Like Carl said, it's the only avenue we have at this point to derail the MEC's desire to "constructively engage" the company at the expense of the Delta line pilot.

The company is insanely profitable. If we can't make concession-free gains now, we never will.
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Old 12-22-2014, 10:44 AM
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I'm also hearing more from guys with "buddies at ALPA" or "in the CPO" is management's desire to scrap the current sick provisions in favor of a significantly smaller number of "Personal Days Off" (basically, paid Personal Drops).
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Old 12-22-2014, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Will
One quick question. If the AE comes out Jan 2 and the conversions do not start until Feb 1st, are the Jan 2014 new hires released from there seat lock since the conversion I would assume start Feb 1st.
Yes if the conversion date is after the freeze date expiration. My freeze date is Jan 13th and I'm thinking of going to the 73.

I would be ok with a 3 year lock if they pay protect us like they do with SLI to the highest paying position we can hold.
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Old 12-22-2014, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
I'm also hearing more from guys with "buddies at ALPA" or "in the CPO" is management's desire to scrap the current sick provisions in favor of a significantly smaller number of "Personal Days Off" (basically, paid Personal Drops).
This isn't pointed at you, Drank, because I understand you're just passing it along.

Don't accept less paid sick time for anything- you may not think you need it when you're younger or healthier, but unknown sick events have a way of creeping up on you. When that happened to me and I used up all my sick time, I was very happy to have a normal amount of sick to get a regular paycheck. We can't go to work "and tough it out for the day/week/month" while we get better like almost everyone else in the working world.

We have to be at 100% to make good decisions and handle emergencies.
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Old 12-22-2014, 11:12 AM
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Question: I am on reserve for January, and would like to use a payback day on one of my on call days. There is good coverage for the day I want to use the payback day. The problem is 4 days of on call in a row is the minimum for my category. Will they let me use a payback day if it breaks the minimum 4 days in a row on call, and leaves me with only 3?
I know payback days strategy was addressed at length a month or two ago. Anybody remember where in this epic thread all that info rests? Thanks!
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Old 12-22-2014, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Absoultey. The campaign has already started.

Bucking Bar and the other usual suspects are already instilling Fear/Uncertainty/Doubt, yet claim that no contact or discussions with the company have taken place. Pure garbage.
Huh?

Originally Posted by Chairman's Letter December 20th
Looking back on 2014, I can only assess the year in terms of how well we executed the three tasks of every labor union: negotiating contracts, enforcing contracts, and promoting our profession.

Our negotiations don’t stop between amendable dates, and your union is always on the lookout for ways to add value to our contract. We have done this through seven Letters Of Agreement this year: Modifications Related to FAR 117, Electronic Tablet Devices, Short Call, Association Business, 2014 55-Point Voluntary Retirement Program, Over-Age-60 Conflicts Line Adjustment Guarantee and Reserve, and the most recent LOA, the Virgin Atlantic Joint Venture Agreement.

We end 2014 with a contract that no longer treats reserve pilots like second-class citizens; we have increased the minimum value of a working day to 5:15 ADG; we have added block hours to our schedule; we’ve added options to the schedule, and boosted job protections to include more than just downside protection – we now participate in the upside as well.
That's all I've read (which is how I know things). The Chairman's Letter was a good recap of success, the opposite of FUD, IMHO.
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Old 12-22-2014, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
This isn't pointed at you, Drank, because I understand you're just passing it along.

Don't accept less paid sick time for anything- you may not think you need it when you're younger or healthier, but unknown sick events have a way of creeping up on you. When that happened to me and I used up all my sick time, I was very happy to have a normal amount of sick to get a regular paycheck. We can't go to work "and tough it out for the day/week/month" while we get better like almost everyone else in the working world.

We have to be at 100% to make good decisions and handle emergencies.
Completely agree! Once we concede our dedicated sick time, we'll never, ever get it back.
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