Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-17-2014, 06:50 AM
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True Headings is pretty much the publication of the Special Committee. They never sign that document because they don't discuss who are members of the Special Committee.
Because the Special Committee only lives to destroy the DPA or any other alternative union drive that ever happens within Delta. When your only reason for existence is to destroy other entities, you tend to be mostly negative in tone and spirit.
Yes, and he's clearly not. My opinion is that he's working as hard as he can to minimize pilot costs to his friends and partners in management. His challenge is doing that while pretending to be fighting for us.
Carl
Because the Special Committee only lives to destroy the DPA or any other alternative union drive that ever happens within Delta. When your only reason for existence is to destroy other entities, you tend to be mostly negative in tone and spirit.
Yes, and he's clearly not. My opinion is that he's working as hard as he can to minimize pilot costs to his friends and partners in management. His challenge is doing that while pretending to be fighting for us.
Carl
MEC Publications are typically produced by the Communications Committee and yes, names are published as part of the MEC's normal administrative responsibilities.
Carl, you are a smart man. Why do you repeat such nonsense when all you have to do is sign on to your MECs web site and employ the search function, or call a Rep?
11-17-2014, 06:57 AM
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Ok. Next.
The Railway Labor Act makes the government a factor in every pilot contract, whether the involvement of the National Mediation Board is actual, or merely implied. There could be nine Section 6 notices in play a year from now, and the outcome of one contract has consequences for all the others. The failure or success of one pilot group plays a factor in the potential of all the others.
The managing of expectations has begun. Those expectations are being managed down. Without stated goals present in any communication from the MEC, this above statement does just what it is designed to do. Downward expectation management.
"With rationalized top and bottom wages in our industry, we are certainly better positioned to bargain for contract improvements than in the recent past."
Rationalized. What the phuque does that mean. Is that like Lee Moaks statement to Bloomberg/Business Week Magazine? "Our contracts are mature and need only adjustments on the margins."
Rationalized at the top says to me that DALPA is ok with the current benefit and compensation level at the top of our contract in relation to the industry. Worse, "rationalized wages at the bottom in our industry" implies ALPAs condoning the whip saw antics that see the lowering of wages at the regional level of our industry.
This is a giant fail. I expected more for the constituents prior to entering negotiations. Not this unsigned, meandering missive that has little value. Come on Dalpa. Step it up.
Not a way to start the eve of negotiations.
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11-17-2014, 07:08 AM
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First, I would contend it is not an official MEC newsletter. No where does it state that, on any of them. I could sit down today, write a bunch of what I believe are pertinent facts, publish them on line under the banner of 'True Headings' and hang them out as fact. An official MEC newsletter would be labeled as such and signed by a communications chairman and the author.
Ok. Next.
The Railway Labor Act makes the government a factor in every pilot contract, whether the involvement of the National Mediation Board is actual, or merely implied. There could be nine Section 6 notices in play a year from now, and the outcome of one contract has consequences for all the others. The failure or success of one pilot group plays a factor in the potential of all the others.
The managing of expectations has begun. Those expectations are being managed down. Without stated goals present in any communication from the MEC, this above statement does just what it is designed to do. Downward expectation management.
"With rationalized top and bottom wages in our industry, we are certainly better positioned to bargain for contract improvements than in the recent past."
Rationalized. What the phuque does that mean. Is that like Lee Moaks statement to Bloomberg/Business Week Magazine? "Our contracts are mature and need only adjustments on the margins."
Rationalized at the top says to me that DALPA is ok with the current benefit and compensation level at the top of our contract in relation to the industry. Worse, "rationalized wages at the bottom in our industry" implies ALPAs condoning the whip saw antics that see the lowering of wages at the regional level of our industry.
This is a giant fail
Not a way to start the eve of negotiations.
Ok. Next.
The Railway Labor Act makes the government a factor in every pilot contract, whether the involvement of the National Mediation Board is actual, or merely implied. There could be nine Section 6 notices in play a year from now, and the outcome of one contract has consequences for all the others. The failure or success of one pilot group plays a factor in the potential of all the others.
The managing of expectations has begun. Those expectations are being managed down. Without stated goals present in any communication from the MEC, this above statement does just what it is designed to do. Downward expectation management.
"With rationalized top and bottom wages in our industry, we are certainly better positioned to bargain for contract improvements than in the recent past."
Rationalized. What the phuque does that mean. Is that like Lee Moaks statement to Bloomberg/Business Week Magazine? "Our contracts are mature and need only adjustments on the margins."
Rationalized at the top says to me that DALPA is ok with the current benefit and compensation level at the top of our contract in relation to the industry. Worse, "rationalized wages at the bottom in our industry" implies ALPAs condoning the whip saw antics that see the lowering of wages at the regional level of our industry.
This is a giant fail
Not a way to start the eve of negotiations.
Maybe Malone will have a surprise run for MEC chairman in Jan.
A gallon of jet fuel is down $1 since the peak in 2013. Netting Delta an additional $4 billion in profits for 2015. Why do we care what other air lines are in section 6?
Zero goals. Zero leadership. We need a new leader in Jan. I think we should hire RA and pay him $25 million. He sets goals, communicates and succeeds.
11-17-2014, 07:25 AM
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You're probably smarter than I am Bar. Which is so puzzling as to why you feel the need to purposely mislead.
Carl
11-17-2014, 07:26 AM
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Can we PD Dec 26th? I think the 24th, 25th, 31st we cannot.
11-17-2014, 07:26 AM
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First, I would contend it is not an official MEC newsletter. No where does it state that, on any of them. I could sit down today, write a bunch of what I believe are pertinent facts, publish them on line under the banner of 'True Headings' and hang them out as fact. An official MEC newsletter would be labeled as such and signed by a communications chairman and the author.
Ok. Next.
The Railway Labor Act makes the government a factor in every pilot contract, whether the involvement of the National Mediation Board is actual, or merely implied. There could be nine Section 6 notices in play a year from now, and the outcome of one contract has consequences for all the others. The failure or success of one pilot group plays a factor in the potential of all the others.
The managing of expectations has begun. Those expectations are being managed down. Without stated goals present in any communication from the MEC, this above statement does just what it is designed to do. Downward expectation management.
"With rationalized top and bottom wages in our industry, we are certainly better positioned to bargain for contract improvements than in the recent past."
Rationalized. What the phuque does that mean. Is that like Lee Moaks statement to Bloomberg/Business Week Magazine? "Our contracts are mature and need only adjustments on the margins."
Rationalized at the top says to me that DALPA is ok with the current benefit and compensation level at the top of our contract in relation to the industry. Worse, "rationalized wages at the bottom in our industry" implies ALPAs condoning the whip saw antics that see the lowering of wages at the regional level of our industry.
This is a giant fail. I expected more for the constituents prior to entering negotiations. Not this unsigned, meandering missive that has little value. Come on Dalpa. Step it up.
Not a way to start the eve of negotiations.
Ok. Next.
The Railway Labor Act makes the government a factor in every pilot contract, whether the involvement of the National Mediation Board is actual, or merely implied. There could be nine Section 6 notices in play a year from now, and the outcome of one contract has consequences for all the others. The failure or success of one pilot group plays a factor in the potential of all the others.
The managing of expectations has begun. Those expectations are being managed down. Without stated goals present in any communication from the MEC, this above statement does just what it is designed to do. Downward expectation management.
"With rationalized top and bottom wages in our industry, we are certainly better positioned to bargain for contract improvements than in the recent past."
Rationalized. What the phuque does that mean. Is that like Lee Moaks statement to Bloomberg/Business Week Magazine? "Our contracts are mature and need only adjustments on the margins."
Rationalized at the top says to me that DALPA is ok with the current benefit and compensation level at the top of our contract in relation to the industry. Worse, "rationalized wages at the bottom in our industry" implies ALPAs condoning the whip saw antics that see the lowering of wages at the regional level of our industry.
This is a giant fail. I expected more for the constituents prior to entering negotiations. Not this unsigned, meandering missive that has little value. Come on Dalpa. Step it up.
Not a way to start the eve of negotiations.
Carl
11-17-2014, 07:28 AM
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Exactly.
Maybe Malone will have a surprise run for MEC chairman in Jan.
A gallon of jet fuel is down $1 since the peak in 2013. Netting Delta an additional $4 billion in profits for 2015. Why do we care what other air lines are in section 6?
Zero goals. Zero leadership. We need a new leader in Jan. I think we should hire RA and pay him $25 million. He sets goals, communicates and succeeds.
Maybe Malone will have a surprise run for MEC chairman in Jan.
A gallon of jet fuel is down $1 since the peak in 2013. Netting Delta an additional $4 billion in profits for 2015. Why do we care what other air lines are in section 6?
Zero goals. Zero leadership. We need a new leader in Jan. I think we should hire RA and pay him $25 million. He sets goals, communicates and succeeds.
Maybe Malone can unseat him.
Carl
11-17-2014, 07:34 AM
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11-17-2014, 07:35 AM
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First, I would contend it is not an official MEC newsletter. No where does it state that, on any of them. I could sit down today, write a bunch of what I believe are pertinent facts, publish them on line under the banner of 'True Headings' and hang them out as fact. An official MEC newsletter would be labeled as such and signed by a communications chairman and the author.
Ok. Next.
The Railway Labor Act makes the government a factor in every pilot contract, whether the involvement of the National Mediation Board is actual, or merely implied. There could be nine Section 6 notices in play a year from now, and the outcome of one contract has consequences for all the others. The failure or success of one pilot group plays a factor in the potential of all the others.
The managing of expectations has begun. Those expectations are being managed down. Without stated goals present in any communication from the MEC, this above statement does just what it is designed to do. Downward expectation management.
"With rationalized top and bottom wages in our industry, we are certainly better positioned to bargain for contract improvements than in the recent past."
Rationalized. What the phuque does that mean. Is that like Lee Moaks statement to Bloomberg/Business Week Magazine? "Our contracts are mature and need only adjustments on the margins."
Rationalized at the top says to me that DALPA is ok with the current benefit and compensation level at the top of our contract in relation to the industry. Worse, "rationalized wages at the bottom in our industry" implies ALPAs condoning the whip saw antics that see the lowering of wages at the regional level of our industry.
This is a giant fail. I expected more for the constituents prior to entering negotiations. Not this unsigned, meandering missive that has little value. Come on Dalpa. Step it up.
Not a way to start the eve of negotiations.
Ok. Next.
The Railway Labor Act makes the government a factor in every pilot contract, whether the involvement of the National Mediation Board is actual, or merely implied. There could be nine Section 6 notices in play a year from now, and the outcome of one contract has consequences for all the others. The failure or success of one pilot group plays a factor in the potential of all the others.
The managing of expectations has begun. Those expectations are being managed down. Without stated goals present in any communication from the MEC, this above statement does just what it is designed to do. Downward expectation management.
"With rationalized top and bottom wages in our industry, we are certainly better positioned to bargain for contract improvements than in the recent past."
Rationalized. What the phuque does that mean. Is that like Lee Moaks statement to Bloomberg/Business Week Magazine? "Our contracts are mature and need only adjustments on the margins."
Rationalized at the top says to me that DALPA is ok with the current benefit and compensation level at the top of our contract in relation to the industry. Worse, "rationalized wages at the bottom in our industry" implies ALPAs condoning the whip saw antics that see the lowering of wages at the regional level of our industry.
This is a giant fail. I expected more for the constituents prior to entering negotiations. Not this unsigned, meandering missive that has little value. Come on Dalpa. Step it up.
Not a way to start the eve of negotiations.
I read it the exact same way. Expectation management.
11-17-2014, 07:43 AM
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