Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-13-2014, 06:34 PM
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Ugh, I thought all new hires had to commute to NY and Atl before they got out west. Reminds me of Calvin and Hobbes when his dad always told him that things that are hard build character. Oh well now that I'm out west bring on more people behind me.
11-13-2014, 06:54 PM
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Seriously? I certainly believe in double checking each other, but this "getting permission" to execute everything is getting ridiculous. With 20-30 years + of experience for each of us, I expect each of us to have "graduate level" flying abilities. (Although I fully realize this "std text/sopa/smac" philosophy is rapidly coming to a theatre near you... Yay! 
)
I guess I'm a bit of a dinosaur... retirement can't come soon enough.
BTW, my brief into the ATL on a Cavu day is: "Std vmc brief. Any questions?" (How many bazillion times has an ATL pilot flown into ATL? I really don't think I need any more brief than this to be safe. YMMV.)
)I guess I'm a bit of a dinosaur... retirement can't come soon enough.
BTW, my brief into the ATL on a Cavu day is: "Std vmc brief. Any questions?" (How many bazillion times has an ATL pilot flown into ATL? I really don't think I need any more brief than this to be safe. YMMV.)
11-13-2014, 06:58 PM
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11-13-2014, 07:18 PM
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My prediction is that ASAP's will also drive the change back to a more silent cockpit. Constant chatter has been tried before and it leads to the "boy who cried wolf" syndrome whereby important callouts highlighting the non-normal are lost in a sea of normal callouts.
No matter how well intentioned, procedures and callouts need to be streamlined to make compliance achievable. If they are so numerous that even pilots who want to comply can't get it all correct, it can lead to people throwing up their hands in frustration and stop even trying to comply.
If the average line pilot can't get the procedures and callouts correct on a line check, it's probably not the fault of the line pilot.
Carl
No matter how well intentioned, procedures and callouts need to be streamlined to make compliance achievable. If they are so numerous that even pilots who want to comply can't get it all correct, it can lead to people throwing up their hands in frustration and stop even trying to comply.
If the average line pilot can't get the procedures and callouts correct on a line check, it's probably not the fault of the line pilot.
Carl
11-13-2014, 07:20 PM
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2. Not ready yet
11-13-2014, 07:44 PM
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Just airline apps for me. Over the summer I was in requal and stopped in to give a couple buddies a good word and was booted by the gate keeper. Stated that "we no longer do that". It's a different world out there!
11-13-2014, 08:14 PM
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I agree with you. It's constant blah blah blah in the cockpit now. It's numbing. The PM was always expected to be following along with the PF anyway. It was just done in a much more subtle way. As a former mil instructor pilot, my goal was to know exactly what the other guy was doing but not be in his face and I definitely didn't expect him to ask permission before doing his job. Some things yes, but I think we've crossed the line into numerous extraneous exchanges.
11-13-2014, 08:21 PM
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The Navy SEAL that killed Bin Laden documentary last night was effing riveting.
When MSNBC gets rid of Sharpton. Give me a call.
11-13-2014, 08:24 PM
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My prediction is that ASAP's will also drive the change back to a more silent cockpit. Constant chatter has been tried before and it leads to the "boy who cried wolf" syndrome whereby important callouts highlighting the non-normal are lost in a sea of normal callouts.
No matter how well intentioned, procedures and callouts need to be streamlined to make compliance achievable. If they are so numerous that even pilots who want to comply can't get it all correct, it can lead to people throwing up their hands in frustration and stop even trying to comply.
If the average line pilot can't get the procedures and callouts correct on a line check, it's probably not the fault of the line pilot.
Carl
No matter how well intentioned, procedures and callouts need to be streamlined to make compliance achievable. If they are so numerous that even pilots who want to comply can't get it all correct, it can lead to people throwing up their hands in frustration and stop even trying to comply.
If the average line pilot can't get the procedures and callouts correct on a line check, it's probably not the fault of the line pilot.
Carl
11-13-2014, 08:40 PM
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