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Old 11-10-2014, 03:45 PM
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I'm going to go the other way on the Surface use.

I figure I've got a personal login on it, so I'm going to use that for personal business.

I'm aware that if there is an incident, anything's fair game.

I just want to be there when the NTSB explains how me watching 'Double D-zaster' on my layover factors into the investigation.
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Old 11-10-2014, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
My understanding is that any electronic device on the flight deck during an accident or incident, company issued or not is fair game. So what difference does it make? The UPS. 300 crew in BHM Had all items impounded by the FAA and NTSB and downloaded. I don't think this is new...... Anyone else know?
Here are some excerpts from this NTSB document on CVRs:
https://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/manuals/CVR_Handbook.pdf

2.2.
Safety Board on scene staff shall secure any device that records audio, found within the cockpit or cabin, carried by a passenger, or installed in the aircraft.
Devices that record
audio include, but are not limited to: camcorders, video recorders/cameras, digital cameras, handheld tape recorders, personal digital audio recorders, and flight test equipment. Furthermore, any magnetic tape or digital memory chips found in the wreckage could contain recorded audio and shall be secured by Safety Board staff.




So yeah, doesn't matter if it's the company tablet or your own personal device, they will find that treasure trove of pr0n that you think you so cleverly hid.
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Old 11-10-2014, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
Anyone else hear the rumor that we're not only not retiring the 757s at the rate they mentioned but we're also looking for 75's in the used market?
I heard that for the first time the other day but it was related to the 739s not living up to expectations. The person was explaining the 739 situation and then mentioned the 752.

Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Here are some excerpts from this NTSB document on CVRs:
https://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/manuals/CVR_Handbook.pdf

2.2.
Safety Board on scene staff shall secure any device that records audio, found within the cockpit or cabin, carried by a passenger, or installed in the aircraft.
Devices that record
audio include, but are not limited to: camcorders, video recorders/cameras, digital cameras, handheld tape recorders, personal digital audio recorders, and flight test equipment. Furthermore, any magnetic tape or digital memory chips found in the wreckage could contain recorded audio and shall be secured by Safety Board staff.




So yeah, doesn't matter if it's the company tablet or your own personal device, they will find that treasure trove of pr0n that you think you so cleverly hid.
Does pr0n = Porn?
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Old 11-10-2014, 04:19 PM
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When I go on a tirade on this site defending the company from you heathens like this guy defended Britney Spears from... heathens:



then you know I'm using the Surface.
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Old 11-10-2014, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Does pr0n = Porn?
Also known as a PVD or porn viewing device.
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Old 11-10-2014, 04:39 PM
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Anyone know how to get NavTech PBS desktop app to synchronize without crashing? Mine gets to downloading the bid package and dies.

Been using the web based system for months. It is horrible and for December I'd like to be a bit more specific.
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Old 11-10-2014, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
So yeah, doesn't matter if it's the company tablet or your own personal device, they will find that treasure trove of pr0n that you think you so cleverly hid.
Speaking as someone who has a lot of experience with NTSB investigations, unless it is relevant they will not care. Unless there is some reason to dig into the Tablet, it will be handed back to the owner. The NTSB maintains a very high level of professionalism.

Now the families of the decedent (worst case) will probably dig through the device looking for any recent pictures or communications.

The FAA could probably perform an electronic version of a PUBs check any time they please.

The tablet doesn't raise any additional concerns that your personal laptop does not already bring to the post incident /accident world. There are already ridiculously harsh penalties for digital content on a device which does not belong to the owner. Add to these concerns an inability to know whether the star of the show is age 17, 18, or there against their will. It is a level of legal jeopardy that anyone smart is not loading on a device that is carried past airport police twice a day.

I go by the Marine Corps standard, "if you don't like how she looks, turn off the lights."

Another true story ... in new hire training (back when Delta did not provide hotel rooms) a group of mechanics sharing a crash pad were summarily fired by Delta for circulating "porn of the day" across company computers. There was no warning shot. The first meeting was the termination. ALPA would defend us, but it's a dumb way to get into trouble.
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Old 11-10-2014, 04:59 PM
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I'll listen to guidance, but until I get any, personal means personal.

If the NTSB accesses my personal account and somehow finds out that I blogged non-stop for 16 hours on airline pilot central before pickup, I think they would be able to use that info to question my assertion that I was adequately rested.

If they question me about my photo album of sheep* wearing lace panties, that would be a creepy violation of my personal business.

* obviously, they would all be female sheep - otherwise, that would be sick.
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Old 11-10-2014, 05:14 PM
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Gracias, New, Trick, Hammer and, FTB.
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Old 11-10-2014, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by casual observer
I'll listen to guidance, but until I get any, personal means personal.

If the NTSB accesses my personal account and somehow finds out that I blogged non-stop for 16 hours on airline pilot central before pickup, I think they would be able to use that info to question my assertion that I was adequately rested.

If they question me about my photo album of sheep* wearing lace panties, that would be a creepy violation of my personal business.

* obviously, they would all be female sheep - otherwise, that would be sick.
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