ATL7ER

YES you can. I have done that many times.

PWA 23.I

I. Personal Drop

1. A pilot may, via DBMS, submit one of the following requests to drop a rotation(s) or
reserve on-call day(s) that begins no earlier than the next day (see Section 23 E.):
a. PD, or
b. APD.
2. Next-day APD requests will be processed (before PD requests) each day, by category, in
seniority order among pilots who have submitted requests by 0700E on such day.
3. Next-day PD requests will be processed each day, by position, in seniority order among
pilots who have submitted requests by 0700E on such day.

shiznit

Wow, the comparison did leave out AA on the 330 2015 chart. Not cool, but we can do that math. You only promised to show your math and the CBA language references about 2 or 3 months ago. But don't worry, I did it for you.

Max increase calculation is as follows from Letter A of the APA CBA:
Using current fleet numbers AA Fleet in Group IV:
DAL Rate Component
777 = 270.25 x 60 = 16,215.00
330 = 255.28 x 21 = 5,360.88
$21,575.88 / 81 = $266.37

UAL Rate Component:
777 = 270.25 x 60 = 16,215
330 = 270.25 x 21 = 5,675.25
21,890.25 / 81 = $270.25

AA Avg.(266.37+270.25)/2 = $268.31

Jan. 1, 2016:
The AA 330 rates would be 5.1% higher than DAL.
The AA 777 rates would be 0.7% lower than DAL.
AA pilots have 1% higher DC plan than DAL.
AA pilots have zero profit sharing.
DAL pilots have profit sharing in the 12-15% range.

I agree that there will be a higher "pay rate". I do NOT agree that it equates to "how American gets paid significantly more". I contend they will still be paid significantly less. (some proposed TA notwithstanding)

This coming April with a truly profitable company and historical data to back it up, no anchors of low pay at other carriers we will have the company right in the wheelhouse when we open in exactly 5 months.

I do not believe a C2012 repeat would pass (I think even the silent majority would vote that down). It was a good deal at that moment in that environment and put Delta pilots an average of 24% ahead on the pay-tables (not including PS) compared to the industry at that time. It was the trigger to bring UAL's TA way up and make AA mgt. renegotiate their 1113 'offer'.

What cannot be forgotten in all of this is how modern RLA/NMB negotiations are working (or not working, IMHO). FDX has a very unified group and managment is still stalling for 42 months past the amendable date and the NMB hasn't even hinted that they could get released. Delta has a pilot group with some still trying to foment disunity.

If FDX can drag it out this long with no end in sight against a unified group, how long could DAL drag it out?

Alan Shore

DALPA's contract comparison shows FDX amendable date to be early in 2013. That's not anywhere close to 42 months. Didn't they extend their contract a few years ago for some COLA pay increases?

hockeypilot44

Damnit. Nothing like getting assigned CQ between Christmas and New Years. An A period for a commuter to boot. About as bad as it gets. Even remembered to bid. Didn't help me.

flyallnite

That sucks. Try to swap with someone, you never know... could be a local guy wants the 'A'

boog123

Well, it seems there are only enough trips to build one line, then there will be not enough left to build a second one. I assume this means everyone else will be on reserve. Number one guy has nothing but one day, non commutable trips. Wonder how #2 will feel about being less than 10% seniority in category and possibly being on reserve over Xmas/Xmas eve, new years due to the way the trips were built.

I get the new category, but geez

hockeypilot44

If there's only 1 line, doesn't that mean number 2 guy will be reserve and sit long call all month?

boog123

I would think there would be the normal 7 short calls (theres a grand in hotel bills) and then long call, but with so few reserves, theres a chance that being number 2-4 and "senior on reserve" may not be enough to get the holidays off.

Timbo

Be glad we now get PS to/from training, and we also get paid hotels (even for ATL commuters).

The only way to handle the A is to get to ATL by 4pm the day prior, have a good meal early (the club sandwich at the Double Tree's not too bad, washed down with the IPA at the bar) and get to bed early and then hope your neighbor in the room next door isn't throwing a party until 2am!

A is a beoch, no doubt, but at least you'll get out early on day 2 and can get home sooner.

On your CQ bid, did you put "Avoid A"? It's been working for me.

acl65pilot

The FDX MEC's stated 42 months of negotiations includes the time prior to the amendable date that they were negotiating this contract.