ATL7ER

Apples and Oranges. Here is what a NWA Captain was signing on the dispatch release:

CAPTAINS ONLY: SIGNATURE VERIFIES THAT CURRENT REVISIONS FOR FAR 121.445 SPECIAL AIRPORT PICTORIALS (JEPP 19-01), IF REQUIRED FOR THIS FLIGHT, HAVE BEEN REVIEWED WITHIN THE PAST12 MONTHS.

shiznit

Agreed. They still need PIC approval to close the door, not sure how this improves the process; unless it "improves the process" for a couple ACS and FLTOPS managers to keep their 4th floor gigs for a couple more years.

DAL 88 Driver

You North guys... Actually, I got a glimpse of it when I was the first "south" Captain to fly the DC-9 post merger. I never completely understood why it's desirable to split the flight plan document into several documents. Maybe it had to do with the format you had at NWA? I understand you had part of it that the Captain kept and another part that the F/O kept?

With the Delta format and the need to keep it in a place where it's accessible to both pilots, I don't see the benefit in separating it. It doesn't make sense to me to create several documents so when I go to look for something I have to first figure out which document I need versus just picking up one document and flipping right to the place I'm looking for.

Anyway, I guess we all have our preferences. Mine is to leave the thing in tact instead of randomizing it and make it easier to find stuff. Your mileage may vary.

flyallnite

If any of you are the letter writing types, it looks like the EU is going to try to strong-arm our gov't into approving NAI... this happens in 3 weeks...

This meeting is being described as 'unprecedented'. This could be a watershed moment in all of our careers.

EU and US officials to hold 'urgent' meeting on Norwegian - 10/24/2014 - Flight Global

Humboldt

Question for the GS gurus:

I have a line this month and am on reserve next month starting on the 1st. If I put in for a GS that spills one day into the next month is it a GS with or without conflict? It won't cause me to drop a trip but it will spill into a reserve day next month.

Many thanks,
Humboldt

newKnow

For pilots, preference is just wanting to do things the way you first did it.

At Northwest, if I remember correctly, (geeze, it's been that long?) they printed three releases, a flight plan, weather & NOTAMS, and a flight attendant briefing form. One release was left at the gate, and the captain and the FO would each have their own release. Having two releases on the DC-9 was almost necessary, because we would use it to write down VOR frequencies, radials, DME's, ect. The flight plan was kept in between us, somewhere in the cockpit.

At Delta, you guys share the same release, and write down what you need on scratch paper. I know I initially thought, "Why don't they just print out two releases?" I learned the code to print out an extra one to give to my FO, but it stopped working. So, now I print out trip sheets from easy bid and give it to him/her. IMO, not quite as good, but good enough.

Today, I separate the flight plan, the NOTAMS, the WX, and the flight attendant briefing form. I find it easier for the NOTAMS and WX to be separated, so guys/gals can go right to what they want when needed.

To each his own. Different strokes for different folks.

Bucking Bar

Seen quite a few instances where the last conversation with the Capt. before getting the release back results in late connecting revenue passengers, folks getting to work and non revs being allowed to board. Because of the nature of the trips I fly, quite a few of these events involve cities we serve irregularly and last flight of the day.

This policy might avoid a few 3 minute delays, but at the cost of a few more denied boardings and greater passenger accommodation costs. For the cities we serve just a couple of times, or once, per week it can cause people a huge problem. Sometimes the delays have to do with Passport verification and the little bit of flexibility helps. ... Most Captains don't mind taking a brief delay while keeping sight of the bigger picture for those whom we serve.

JMHO ... that final howgozit before the door shuts is important in a lot of ways.

Cycle Pilot

If it was my airline, I would just send the final weather over ACARS with the D-7 reports. Easy solution.

It's been a while, but at Skywest I think we electronically signed the release over ACARS. Or maybe it was the WDR? I can't remember.

80ktsClamp

While I know the north guys traditionally signed the release at the gate, remember what you were signing was worded very differently than what we all sign now. I'll run it by the powers that be in regard to justifying signing saying we've received things that we haven't yet.

80ktsClamp

This is the most logical solution. There is no need for a signed paper copy in 2014.

Even AA/US which is stuck in the 1970's (even farther behind us in technology) do that.