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Old 10-17-2014, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
I agree completely! What I'm advocating is that 5:15 is much better than it used to be, commutable or not. I, for one, love max credit trips. I much prefer, however, to be paid for my trip and not have my 30 hour layovers count for little to nothing. It's probably equipment and base specific. I'm so done with 3-days that start with a red eye and pay 10.3.

I'm all about hard work. I'm hoping that our down time can be more efficient.
Another trick I see on the 73 now, about 15 trips in last bidpack, is this:
report at 0003; 2 day, release at 2359. Pays 10:30, but it's essentially a 4 day--everyone, even non commuter, has to modify his schedule on pre-departure day so they get rest then get to work; and same on day following trip, home at 0200ish even for drivers. For a commuter it's a solid 4 day now paying 10:30. If they're not doing this, then at least ONE of the days, start or finish, has this in it.

I know the LAX trips and understand how 15:45 looks better than 10:30... but here's another data point agreeing with launchpad, the new trip construction to MAKE those 15:45 3 days is VERY VERY painful for many folks, especially commuters (guys at bottom of list tend to be more commuter heavy of course).

I don't like sitting for 30 hrs not getting paid--best future plan would be a Daily Min Guarantee, not an average. However, despite what I THINK when I do my bidding and try for high-value trips, when it's time to fly the thing... I actually liked 1 leg to PHL at 1800 start, 31 hours, 1 leg back home and on my commuter flight home by 1100, for 10:30 to 12:30.

If my goal in life was to work as hard as possible, and I was willing to make my work-days always 16 hours slaving for my company away from home, there are a lot of options. Hard-work with loooooong workdays is nowhere near as good as reasonable workdays that let you have a more normalish life and time with family, hardwork during that reduced window, and getting paid EVERY DAY someone makes you not be home to go see your kid's school project.

Anyhoo, I guess I agree with you LAX guys on your bidpack (wow was it bad before), but as a lowerish guy at SLC I'm reporting the trips are not as nice; 0600 takeoff 3 legs for 8:37 block or so is killing me.
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Old 10-17-2014, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Launchpad475
I'm not trying to complain, I'm just saying the company has figured out how to make the trip without triggering 430 or 515. It's better than a sharp stick in the eye, and it certainly helps with they try to build a 13 hour 3 day, I'm just not buying all the chest thumping about it. Min day is the way to go, average day is what we have.

I'm not going to post the trip but for example, day one is 8:30 block, day 2 is 31 hours off in random city, day three is 7:41. Day one and three are NIGHTMARE's and you get a day off away from home with ZERO compensation for it. pay's 16:11, regardless of 430 or 515.

If that were a 2 day trip that paid 16:11, I would be much more excited about it.

I'll play the devils advocate here. That trip would be my first choice if it was two or less long legs on days 1 and 3. 30 hour overnight for me is a slice of heaven. Don't get my wrong I love my wife and half dozen kids but this is my daddy's break while I'm working. I base my life on 65 hours a month, everything else is gravy. We ALWAYS spend what we make. My pay has doubled while I have been here and there is no excuse for ME that 65 isn't enough. So everyone wants something different.

That being said I will only vote for C2015 if it has a good chunk increase in my W2.
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Old 10-17-2014, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
They always know what pilot costs are going to be within a certain parameter. We have a contract. That's what contracts do... spell out costs. They biggest way they reduce overall costs is by reducing debt. The second is by fleet rationalization. That one is a dynamic process. In this cycle of airline growth, it is all about frequency... again, hence smaller fleets with longer legs...

And for those of you that back the bigger pays more scheme, how do you put a dollar figure on efficiency?
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Old 10-17-2014, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
I also think we need to have 30-32 days off AT HOME per 7 days. Layovers do not constitute rest to me.
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You get better rest at home than on layovers? What's your secret?
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Old 10-17-2014, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by satchip
Six Reasons to Panic | The Weekly Standard

And then there's this.

Ebola ruled out as passenger dies on Nigeria flight to JFK | New York Post

Our Government is playing Russian Roulette with the safety of the American people. If this kicks off here it will be like Lord of the Flies in some places.

PS, I have to admit I had to look up who Katniss Everdeen was....
I'm out of the US and away from all that crappy news. *CNN International is reporting that the World Health Organization has just declared Senegal to be ebola free. Apparently, they had a few cases, contained them, and haven't had another one in 42 days.


If they can do it, why can't we expect the same?

I don't anticipate any Lord of the Flies situations in the U.S.



* Are they even reporting this over there?
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Old 10-17-2014, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
You get better rest at home than on layovers? What's your secret?
No kidding. With a teenager boy, and three pre teens (triplets,) at home, I come to work to get rest and sleep.
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Old 10-17-2014, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
You get better rest at home than on layovers? What's your secret?
No kidding!
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Old 10-17-2014, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
I also think we need to have 30-32 days off AT HOME per 7 days.
Wait, what? Reading this it looks like you're saying, "Every 7 days, we need to have 30 to 32 days off at home." I like where you're going with this, but don't think that's what you meant to say.
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Old 10-17-2014, 12:34 PM
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AE conversions are posted.
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Old 10-17-2014, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
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.80, a little less, a few more. Turn that into a dollar figure please.
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