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All great points Scoop, but DALPA does not want to damage the relationship it has built with our management family by "going deep." That will simply not happen. So now the question is this: When the TA comes out and is anything but going deep, and when the MEC roadshows talk about the perils of a NO vote, will you vote NO?
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All great points Scoop, but DALPA does not want to damage the relationship it has built with our management family by "going deep." That will simply not happen. So now the question is this: When the TA comes out and is anything but going deep, and when the MEC roadshows talk about the perils of a NO vote, will you vote NO?
Carl
Carl
I can't really say at this point. I have no problem voting No If I think its a bad deal, but I don't really have a single issue litmus test. I will weigh the deal as a whole.
My voting history is about 50% yes and 50% no.
Scoop
Beating a dead horse into mush gets old. We have contrary to all the rumors here not engaged the company at any level about contract 15. There have at this point been no discussion of opening early. There have been no discussions of CDO's, pay banding, reducing sick leave, mandatory upgrades ect....
The only thing going on contract wise is the survey. It closes in less then a hour.
The only thing going on contract wise is the survey. It closes in less then a hour.
You'll do your credibility some rehabilitation if you would just state your thoughts and opinions instead of the definitive statements about which you have no idea. You'd also do yourself and the perception of a professional pilot a lot of good if you would learn to use "then" and "than" correctly in a sentence.
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I get that, but I'm not asking about a single issue litmus test. You stated earlier that given our environment and corporate financials, it's time to go deep. I agree. But what if the TA as a whole is far from going deep? Will you still vote NO in the face of dire consequences to your family and future as stated by the MEC admins? That's the question. If you can't, "going deep" is a pipe dream because this MEC will not do that. Too much invested in the relationship with our management family members.
Carl
Carl
Absolutely. If I perceive C2015 as coming up short - in other words, a few scraps thrown our way, I will vote No.
If we as a group are not willing to risk anything I don't seeing us making substantial gains.
I, like many others who have been burned with a furlough, do not have all my eggs in the "DAL" basket.
Scoop
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I am confident it will happen for C2015 as well.
P.s. Just got a robo call saying the survey is extended for another week... no surprise to me... literally 90+% of the pilots I fly with don't believe their input was considered in the C2012 survey.
Back to the CDO horse one more time. I DO have a problem voting no for a TA because it contains CDO's. If everything else is mostly good, why should I have to vote no because they snuck CDO's into the TA?
Nobody wants them but the company and they know if they can get them into a TA, the chance of them getting them is good. There should be absolutely NO items in the next TA that are concessionary in nature to "offset" gains. The only thing we should have to consider voting no for is that the initial pay raise is less than 20%.
Out of deference to the thread's wishes to not get into the DPA stuff, I'll explain why on the other thread.
Carl
I agree with the fact that most of us don't believe the results were considered in C2012. I also believe that if you don't submit yours, you better not ***** about the results of the new contract.
Absolutely. If I perceive C2015 as coming up short - in other words, a few scraps thrown our way, I will vote No.
If we as a group are not willing to risk anything I don't seeing us making substantial gains.
I, like many others who have been burned with a furlough, do not have all my eggs in the "DAL" basket.
Scoop
If we as a group are not willing to risk anything I don't seeing us making substantial gains.
I, like many others who have been burned with a furlough, do not have all my eggs in the "DAL" basket.
Scoop
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