Originally Posted by sailingfun

They have been promising great things from trainer since it was purchased. Virtually every quarter after reporting the loses they state next quarter will be better. They reported a 43 million dollar loss in the second quarter.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

Guys, please watch for straggling non-revs on last flights of the night. We were late to our flight to an outstation last night due to missing a wide open flight to ATL (over 50 seats open) filling up with hk's 10 min prior to departure (next flight was a little late so they moved everyone up). Our flight to the outstation had a mx plane swap so we thought we had a chance (we did), but we didn't get on. We arrived at the gate to find the agent in the jetway and the plane still fueling. I waved in the window to no avail while watching this aircraft fuel for 15 minutes. Plane ended up pushing 27 minutes after we arrived at the gate. I know our company doesn't care about non-revs, but I was disappointed in our employees. I know i was seen by a ground personnel because he waved, then walked up the jetway. I would never expect anyone to delay a flight for a non-rev, but I do expect our agents to put people on when it will not delay the flight at all. Anyhow, spent the night in a hotel with my family for 7 hours to get up and fly to a different airport 100 miles away from where we need to be. Please just be aware at the end of the night. Non-revving is hard enough as is. We don't need our own employees holding us back. It became obvious to me that we definitely do not have the "Southwest culture."

Originally Posted by sailingfun

You guys are like a bunch of old women on the CDO thing. I realize it's part of a anti ALPA rhetoric to keep bringing them up but here is the simple truth. The company can take them or leave them. They are not pushing for them. CDO's originated with the pilot group. If the contract survey shows they are not wanted that will be the end of the story. Find something new to whine about. If you're concerned about them then get your survey filled out.

Originally Posted by iceman49

Sailing, do you have numbers or a percentage of the pilot group that is asking for the CDOs. Thx

Originally Posted by sailingfun

They have been promising great things from trainer since it was purchased. Virtually every quarter after reporting the loses they state next quarter will be better. They reported a 43 million dollar loss in the second quarter. We have between a 14 c per gallon to 6 cents per gallon advantage on fuel costs in the last reports depending on which airline. What I read stated it was due to hedges not trainer. Regardless trainer has a long way to go to eat up the startup costs.

Edit, the 43 million loss was first quarter, they reported a profit so 13 million second quarter. Here is Anderson's recent statement on fuel cost at Delta. Note the term market in his quote.

"The refinery has made an impact on market fuel prices and we have a solid hedge book in place that should reduce our fuel expense by more than $350mn for the year, including $100mn in the September quarter," chief executive Richard Anderson said during a conference call with analysts.

Originally Posted by iceman49

Sailing, do you have numbers or a percentage of the pilot group that is asking for the CDOs. Thx

Originally Posted by tsquare

This sounds like a five year old that is going to hold his breath. Sorry, but

sailing is right.... I don't want the damned things either, but getting this spun up is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

You guys are like a bunch of old women on the CDO thing. I realize it's part of a anti ALPA rhetoric to keep bringing them up but here is the simple truth. The company can take them or leave them. They are not pushing for them. CDO's originated with the pilot group. If the contract survey shows they are not wanted that will be the end of the story. Find something new to whine about. If you're concerned about them then get your survey filled out.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

Guys, please watch for straggling non-revs on last flights of the night. We were late to our flight to an outstation last night due to missing a wide open flight to ATL (over 50 seats open) filling up with hk's 10 min prior to departure (next flight was a little late so they moved everyone up). Our flight to the outstation had a mx plane swap so we thought we had a chance (we did), but we didn't get on. We arrived at the gate to find the agent in the jetway and the plane still fueling. I waved in the window to no avail while watching this aircraft fuel for 15 minutes. Plane ended up pushing 27 minutes after we arrived at the gate. I know our company doesn't care about non-revs, but I was disappointed in our employees. I know i was seen by a ground personnel because he waved, then walked up the jetway. I would never expect anyone to delay a flight for a non-rev, but I do expect our agents to put people on when it will not delay the flight at all. Anyhow, spent the night in a hotel with my family for 7 hours to get up and fly to a different airport 100 miles away from where we need to be. Please just be aware at the end of the night. Non-revving is hard enough as is. We don't need our own employees holding us back. It became obvious to me that we definitely do not have the "Southwest culture."

Originally Posted by sailingfun

You guys are like a bunch of old women on the CDO thing. I realize it's part of a anti ALPA rhetoric to keep bringing them up but here is the simple truth. The company can take them or leave them. They are not pushing for them. CDO's originated with the pilot group. If the contract survey shows they are not wanted that will be the end of the story. Find something new to whine about. If you're concerned about them then get your survey filled out.