Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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Sailing that sounds really great, but the fact is that as a 2001 hire who still resides on ATL88B, I can tell you I've moved up maybe 20 numbers in my category this last year.
Just keep telling us how great it is.
This is what KILLS us at the bottom, and makes all this hiring and retiring meaningless to the guys already here and in the bottom third, as far as advancement goes: all the upward movement is stopped via "no backfilling".
From the AE award info:
744 – With the news of the four 744 retirements in 2014 we will not backfill up to 10 Captains and 10 First Officers on this AE
777 – ...we will draw down the DTW-777 categories as pilots bid off and we may post DTW-777 displacements in 2015....We will not backfill up to 5 DTW Captain and DTW F/O positions.
330 – ...We will not backfill up to 15 DTW-330 F/Os on this AE.
765 – ...We will not backfill up to a total of 8 Captains and 8 F/Os on this bid.
7ER – ...At this time, we are not adding Captains and may not backfill DTW and MSP as Captains bid off. ...We will not backfill up to 10 DTW F/Os.
73N – ...We will not backfill up to 15 CVG Captain and 15 CVG First Officer pilots.
320 – ...We may not backfill DTW and MSP Captains and DTW and MSP First Officers.
M88 –...We will not backfill up to 10 CVG Captains and 10 CVG Frist Officers.
So there you have it in a nutshell, all the "openings" for Capts will be MORE THAN DESTROYED for junior advancement, by "not backfilling". Just one more in a long line of AEs that look good on the surface, and guys will come on here and post "look at all the CAPT positions Delta added!", but the details show more CAPT positions deleted via "not backfilling".
Meh, it is what it is, just getting this out there before some cheerleader gets on here telling us how great this is and how many CAPT positions we're getting...
From the AE award info:
744 – With the news of the four 744 retirements in 2014 we will not backfill up to 10 Captains and 10 First Officers on this AE
777 – ...we will draw down the DTW-777 categories as pilots bid off and we may post DTW-777 displacements in 2015....We will not backfill up to 5 DTW Captain and DTW F/O positions.
330 – ...We will not backfill up to 15 DTW-330 F/Os on this AE.
765 – ...We will not backfill up to a total of 8 Captains and 8 F/Os on this bid.
7ER – ...At this time, we are not adding Captains and may not backfill DTW and MSP as Captains bid off. ...We will not backfill up to 10 DTW F/Os.
73N – ...We will not backfill up to 15 CVG Captain and 15 CVG First Officer pilots.
320 – ...We may not backfill DTW and MSP Captains and DTW and MSP First Officers.
M88 –...We will not backfill up to 10 CVG Captains and 10 CVG Frist Officers.
So there you have it in a nutshell, all the "openings" for Capts will be MORE THAN DESTROYED for junior advancement, by "not backfilling". Just one more in a long line of AEs that look good on the surface, and guys will come on here and post "look at all the CAPT positions Delta added!", but the details show more CAPT positions deleted via "not backfilling".
Meh, it is what it is, just getting this out there before some cheerleader gets on here telling us how great this is and how many CAPT positions we're getting...
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,599
And that would be exactly what Mr. RoadKill was talking about.
Sailing that sounds really great, but the fact is that as a 2001 hire who still resides on ATL88B, I can tell you I've moved up maybe 20 numbers in my category this last year.
Just keep telling us how great it is.
Sailing that sounds really great, but the fact is that as a 2001 hire who still resides on ATL88B, I can tell you I've moved up maybe 20 numbers in my category this last year.
Just keep telling us how great it is.
Edit: looks like about 160 new hires have been placed on the ATL M88b position. A 2001 hire may have only moved up 20 numbers but his relative position should have improved far more with the category 20% larger.
Last edited by sailingfun; 09-29-2014 at 01:36 PM.
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,242
[QUOTE=sailingfun;1736729]The RMA was based on years of service not age. The max was 120k but I don't know how it broke down by years.[/QUOTE
I believe the intent of the RMA was to provide funds for private insurance until one was eligible for Medicare (age 65). Hence, the younger you were the more money you got. I may still have the chart somewhere.
I believe the intent of the RMA was to provide funds for private insurance until one was eligible for Medicare (age 65). Hence, the younger you were the more money you got. I may still have the chart somewhere.
This is what KILLS us at the bottom, and makes all this hiring and retiring meaningless to the guys already here and in the bottom third, as far as advancement goes: all the upward movement is stopped via "no backfilling".
From the AE award info:
744 – With the news of the four 744 retirements in 2014 we will not backfill up to 10 Captains and 10 First Officers on this AE
777 – ...we will draw down the DTW-777 categories as pilots bid off and we may post DTW-777 displacements in 2015....We will not backfill up to 5 DTW Captain and DTW F/O positions.
330 – ...We will not backfill up to 15 DTW-330 F/Os on this AE.
765 – ...We will not backfill up to a total of 8 Captains and 8 F/Os on this bid.
7ER – ...At this time, we are not adding Captains and may not backfill DTW and MSP as Captains bid off. ...We will not backfill up to 10 DTW F/Os.
73N – ...We will not backfill up to 15 CVG Captain and 15 CVG First Officer pilots.
320 – ...We may not backfill DTW and MSP Captains and DTW and MSP First Officers.
M88 –...We will not backfill up to 10 CVG Captains and 10 CVG Frist Officers.
So there you have it in a nutshell, all the "openings" for Capts will be MORE THAN DESTROYED for junior advancement, by "not backfilling". Just one more in a long line of AEs that look good on the surface, and guys will come on here and post "look at all the CAPT positions Delta added!", but the details show more CAPT positions deleted via "not backfilling".
Meh, it is what it is, just getting this out there before some cheerleader gets on here telling us how great this is and how many CAPT positions we're getting...
From the AE award info:
744 – With the news of the four 744 retirements in 2014 we will not backfill up to 10 Captains and 10 First Officers on this AE
777 – ...we will draw down the DTW-777 categories as pilots bid off and we may post DTW-777 displacements in 2015....We will not backfill up to 5 DTW Captain and DTW F/O positions.
330 – ...We will not backfill up to 15 DTW-330 F/Os on this AE.
765 – ...We will not backfill up to a total of 8 Captains and 8 F/Os on this bid.
7ER – ...At this time, we are not adding Captains and may not backfill DTW and MSP as Captains bid off. ...We will not backfill up to 10 DTW F/Os.
73N – ...We will not backfill up to 15 CVG Captain and 15 CVG First Officer pilots.
320 – ...We may not backfill DTW and MSP Captains and DTW and MSP First Officers.
M88 –...We will not backfill up to 10 CVG Captains and 10 CVG Frist Officers.
So there you have it in a nutshell, all the "openings" for Capts will be MORE THAN DESTROYED for junior advancement, by "not backfilling". Just one more in a long line of AEs that look good on the surface, and guys will come on here and post "look at all the CAPT positions Delta added!", but the details show more CAPT positions deleted via "not backfilling".
Meh, it is what it is, just getting this out there before some cheerleader gets on here telling us how great this is and how many CAPT positions we're getting...
That's pretty good for the bottom third. No?
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,599
[QUOTE=maddogmax;1736772]
That sounds correct. Still a pilot with less then a year to go is passing up a large chunk of cash to work a few months extra.
The RMA was based on years of service not age. The max was 120k but I don't know how it broke down by years.[/QUOTE
I believe the intent of the RMA was to provide funds for private insurance until one was eligible for Medicare (age 65). Hence, the younger you were the more money you got. I may still have the chart somewhere.
I believe the intent of the RMA was to provide funds for private insurance until one was eligible for Medicare (age 65). Hence, the younger you were the more money you got. I may still have the chart somewhere.
A story from a bro that commands an army national guard company. He had a really good NCO part-timer quit, so he went to the guys house to try to talk him into coming back. Ends up talking to the wife. She says, he would love for him to go back, but we can't afford the dues! So, for 8 years this guy had convinced his wife that he wasn't paid for his work, but had to pay dues instead! Guess he had some splaining to do.
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