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Old 09-20-2014, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Colganguy
Another question. Short call reserve. I know the contract says a reasonable amount of time to get to the airport and it is known that 2 hours is reasonable. Is the 2 hours for check in at the computer and then you have about an hour to push OR is it 2 hours from the time you get the phone call to your arse better be sitting in the seat of the airplane getting ready to push?
It's 2 hours to report. Don't let them try to push you around and say it's in a seat. If they give you something quicker, it's on them. If you don't make it, you don't make it.

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Old 09-20-2014, 01:24 PM
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sorry. deleted bad info. feel free to do the same in your post...

I've been doing it wrong.
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Old 09-20-2014, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Reroute
Fixed it for you.

Now hold on to your tin foil hat and focus.

The C20 reps ( I wonder who they were) were the first to argue in favor of CDOs by introducing a C20 resolution asking that the contract be modified to bring back "illegals." The C20 reps argued that they were very popular with senior pilots. But for the actions of other representatives we would have had CDOs years ago.

Now I'm not saying that the C20 resolution asking for CDOs, which was championed by the C20 reps, was the genesis of CDOs in the FAR117 TA, not at all. What I am saying is that there was pilot input in favor of CDOs.

There has also been pilot input against CDOs in the form of emails to reps.

There are also a significant number of pilots who have expressed a desire for CDOs.

With all these conflicting data points, what's wrong with asking a straight forward question in a scientific survey?
Do yourself a favor and read some literature on surveys and contaminated sample groups and bias and answer objectively if ATL and SLC's updates essentially invalidate the data from those respondents.

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Old 09-20-2014, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Now that's just mean. Phil Fulmer is a good man. Of all the people that have stood on the sidelines in the past few years, his blood actually ran orange. The jury is out on bUTch, but Phil actually put on the helmet as a youngster.
Agree. Worse thing possibly that TN ever did was let Fulmer go. Was good for Bama though.

Used to be a great series back then. I think Jones will be positive if they give him 3-4 years to get his recruits and program established.

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Old 09-20-2014, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
No, PD.

It's 2 hours to report. Don't let them try to push you around and say it's in a seat. If they give you something quicker, it's on them. If you don't make it, you don't make it.
Not sure I'd tie my hands to two hours. 2 may not be reasonable. Had a discussion with a CA recently who used the logic in the company paid move section of the PWA which gives a "within 125 miles of the airport" in order to receive a company paid move. I am 94 miles to parking and sit SC at home.

On a good day, I can get to employee parking in 1:35. My worst day so far has been 3:15 (Friday 5pm, 3 day weekend, Seahawks preseason game) I'll give myself 4 hours provided the company gives me that much time. If not, I'll keep scheduling informed of any road delays I encounter.

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Old 09-20-2014, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RetiredFTS
Not sure I'd tie my hands to two hours. 2 may not be reasonable. Had a discussion with a CA recently who used the logic in the company paid move section of the PWA which gives a "within 125 miles of the airport" in order to receive a company paid move. I am 94 miles to parking and sit SC at home.

On a good day, I can get to employee parking in 1:35. My worst day so far has been 3:15 (Friday 5pm, 3 day weekend, Seahawks preseason game) I'll give myself 4 hours provided the company gives me that much time. If not, I'll keep scheduling informed of any road delays I encounter.
This is absolutely correct! 2 is a suggestion... some schedulers get a bit wrapped around the axle about it.... but like I said, sometimes you get there when you get there!
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Old 09-20-2014, 01:49 PM
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West coast guys. I just got sked for training and have an A period on day 1 and a D period on the last day...I thought I saw somewhere west coasters were not supposed to get those periods on first or last day of training? Not complaining, just curious.
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Old 09-20-2014, 02:05 PM
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SEA-HND was just pulled effective 10/1 through 3/29.... only 10 days notice to the passengers. Yikes!

It appears as though the importance and viability of HND might have been a bit overstated.
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Old 09-20-2014, 02:06 PM
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West coast guys. I just got sked for training and have an A period on day 1 and a D period on the last day...I thought I saw somewhere west coasters were not supposed to get those periods on first or last day of training? Not complaining, just curious.
Are you a new hire?
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Old 09-20-2014, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
Do yourself a favor and read some literature on surveys and contaminated sample groups and bias and answer objectively if ATL and SLC's updates essentially invalidate the data from those respondents.

Step away from the reactor
Look, if we are going to get scientifically nuanced with the two surveys, then in reality they both are flawed.

Both suffer from selection bias to varying degrees. With the more respondents participating, the degree of the selection bias declines.

Self-selection bias, which is possible whenever the group of people being studied has any form of control over whether to participate. Participants' decision to participate may be correlated with traits that affect the study, making the participants a non-representative sample. For example, people who have strong opinions or substantial knowledge may be more willing to spend time answering a survey than those who do not.


So, how can we fix that. On the ALPA side, it could have been accomplished.

During the latest LOA vote, certain reps made it known that the membership had been over collected on dues to the tune of $2-3 million that was ear marked for return to the pilots.

Having made it a prerequisite to do the survey to collect the refund would have seen 100% participation.

Instead, we get a letter today from MD urging us to engage and partake in the survey.
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