Bucking Bar

Not so easy, apparently.

The Compass guys were a lot closer to a number and we divested them because we did not want to administer their contract (among other reasons).

No one gets that we can have one list that spans multiple contracts and carriers. I think that is an answer to our scope morass, but acknowledge we'd move whipsaw into our own list by creating a type specific sort of B scale.

But I agree with my Porshephile friend, if the Company wants them to fly a jet not permitted under our scope, they need to hire a Delta pilot to perform that flying.

Has anyone actually heard a Rep, or ALPA staffer, say anything about even considering giving up a seat, a jet, or a job? Any credible reports out there, or is this conjecture?

brakechatter

Hey folks,

We have 1 week left of balloting in council 44. I have heard nothing of any type of deal being generated for 100 relief--permanent or temporary. This is exactly the kind of thing which demonstrates why these elections are so important. Any kind of deal which allows 100 seat outsourcing, 100 seat temporary outsourcing pending an order, 100 seat jets being flown by anyone other than a Delta pilot at any time for any length is unacceptable. It allows possession of 100 seat aircraft by other than Delta pilots, and possession is 9/10ths of the law. I could describe a bunch of scenarios where such a deal could lead to permanent change no matter how crafty the language in our favor.

Again, I have not heard of any kind of deal such as this being floated anywhere, by anybody. I will be in CQ on thursday and friday to poke around and see what I can dig up. I have seen a lot of support for me on this board, and I truly appreciate it. At the same time, it may not be enough. Get the word out to vote. Convince your friends to vote. It's important.

CS

alfaromeo

Other than the bankruptcy deal, could you elaborate. If you can't understand the significant risks to labor in bankruptcy, then you have been living in a cave for the last 7 years.

Since bankruptcy, there have been a series of agreements, primarily in regards to the Joint Venture that have strengthened our scope. We now have the tightest Joint Venture protections in the industry. If there is a "history" of selling scope concessions, you should at least be able to name one.

acl65pilot

Hey bud,
I threw this out there because I have been hearing this type of chatter for some time.
C-Series needs to fly if we are going to commit.
The 195 would be a great short term fix, but it would cost to much to put it here for a few short years

yada yada yada
Hearing this type of thing makes me think that 1) it might be something that the company may ask for, 2) it may be something that if asked for, if the carrot was big enough might be taken.

It makes a lot of sense, but from a long term perspective is the worst thing we could allow.

I agree that it is nothing that I have been told in black and white. There is no rumblings from the union about this, but it makes enough sense to get guys thinking a long these terms.

I agree you have a lot of support. Great letter today. Communication is not something we should fear!

I encourage everyone to vote in the 44 elections. If you know someone here that has not made their mind up, have them vote. We have some very capable CA and FO candidates to vote for.
Call or e-mail them as well. We are willing to answer any questions. That is why many of us are running.

acl65pilot

I think that how you term what has happened in Section One depends on your perspective. Some will call it a sale, others will call say it was taken at gun point, and others will say we have given up nothing. It all depends on how you want to frame your argument.

Fact is that we need to be forward looking going forward and realize that the scenario that I laid out is a possibility, and one that we need to be very keen to.
IMHO what is, is, and there is nothing we can do to change the past, but doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is the definition of insanity. So lets change the way we do things. Our best thinking has gotten us here.

Number one, communicate!

sevenfiveseven

I was there as well but things change..........

80ktsClamp

Not to mention JG specifically said that we can easily move up SOC to mid December if desired.

iaflyer

No, I haven't heard a Rep or anyone from ALPA say anything about giving anything up, but I didn't hear them talk about Non-Flying Lines (NFLs) either, and that LOA happened pretty quickly.

I just think that by people letting their reps know how they feel, it can maybe head something off before it happens or get some intel or feel which way the wind is blowing.

Free Bird

LOA #19 is something that imo should have never been put in front of the pilot group because of the Scope language. The company needed this agreement, not a want, they needed it. DALPA sold this as "it's just our scope plus the NWA scope" that certainly doesn't make it right. DALPA should of told the company if they want the merger, they're not going to get 255 70 seaters.
By way of comparison, AMR can have 25 70 seat jets!!!! Continental can't have ANY 70 seat jets. If those numbers don't get your attention I don't what will.

And the flock voted for what the union wanted? I think the MEC members unanimously voted for this, am I wrong? Who in their right mind would think that 255 70 seaters was a good idea? But wait it gets better, something along the lines of for every mainline jet Delta takes delivery of the company gets 3 more RJ's. Am I wrong on that?

Put all of that together and it is among, if not the worst SCOPE in the industry.

LOA #19 had nothing to do with BK, IMO DALPA should of held the line on scope.

CVG767A

I'm posting this here because I need an answer pretty quickly,and this thread gets more traffic than any of the others.

I'm charged with putting together a CARE package for a Delta guy who's in Iraq. What kind of things are most appreciated by the guys over there? No guesses or assumptions, please: I can do that. What I'm looking for is firsthand information, or direct feedback from someone who was there.

Thanks in advance for your help!