Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-07-2014, 02:09 PM
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09-07-2014, 02:21 PM
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They don't want the details out there in order to prevent another anti-CDO type of reaction from their constituents. After it passes, they can then say, "no one really objected". Not giving details prior to passing the LOA is the same as keeping survey results to themselves.
My trust of the union is entering a spiral.
My trust of the union is entering a spiral.
09-07-2014, 02:29 PM
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What about the McFadden interpretation Scenario #1 ?
It seems to me that a FAR 117 30 hour rest is NOT the same as a regular X day. They can't require us to be aware of any duty that was not assigned BEFORE the 30 hours began.
The FAA says any obligation to check your schedule OR acknowledge duty breaks the rest.
Read Scenario #1 and the 2 questions:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf
I think Flying Elvis' first post was correct. If you haven't been assigned something before starting the 30 hours then you just go on long call at the end. There is no "Last non-fly day" 9 hours prior self notification type situation when it is FAA required rest.
It seems to me that a FAR 117 30 hour rest is NOT the same as a regular X day. They can't require us to be aware of any duty that was not assigned BEFORE the 30 hours began.
The FAA says any obligation to check your schedule OR acknowledge duty breaks the rest.
Read Scenario #1 and the 2 questions:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf
I think Flying Elvis' first post was correct. If you haven't been assigned something before starting the 30 hours then you just go on long call at the end. There is no "Last non-fly day" 9 hours prior self notification type situation when it is FAA required rest.
Apparently, none of these responsibilities breaks your rest, excepy that a reserve pilot has a momentary break in rest as he begins his first on-call day.
09-07-2014, 02:37 PM
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09-07-2014, 02:37 PM
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09-07-2014, 02:39 PM
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09-07-2014, 02:42 PM
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09-07-2014, 02:44 PM
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Wasn't it the Navy that invented...
Soap on a Rope?
And now for a song or two:
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Soap on a Rope?
And now for a song or two:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVXmMMSo47s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KaWSOlASWc
09-07-2014, 03:06 PM
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From DALPA Vectors....September 5, 2014
"Domestic Jumpseat “Two Hour” Rule: According to Delta’s Gate Agent Knowledge Manual, no pilot may list at the gate for a jumpseat at any time earlier than two hours prior to departure. Many pilots are breaking this rule. If you find yourself in this situation, unable to list for the jumpseat because another pilot has listed more than two hours prior, please let us know by filing a JSAP and FCR."
Ughh, excuse me ALPA, when did pilots become responsible for knowing and abiding by what's in the "Delta's Gate Agent Knowledge Manual"--whatever the hell that is? The FOM has no such "two hour prior to departure" limitation (as far as I could tell). The PWA certainly has no such restriction.
Please DALPA, this is ridiculous. Can you at least pretend to stand up for the pilot group every once in a while?
"Domestic Jumpseat “Two Hour” Rule: According to Delta’s Gate Agent Knowledge Manual, no pilot may list at the gate for a jumpseat at any time earlier than two hours prior to departure. Many pilots are breaking this rule. If you find yourself in this situation, unable to list for the jumpseat because another pilot has listed more than two hours prior, please let us know by filing a JSAP and FCR."
Ughh, excuse me ALPA, when did pilots become responsible for knowing and abiding by what's in the "Delta's Gate Agent Knowledge Manual"--whatever the hell that is? The FOM has no such "two hour prior to departure" limitation (as far as I could tell). The PWA certainly has no such restriction.
Please DALPA, this is ridiculous. Can you at least pretend to stand up for the pilot group every once in a while?
09-07-2014, 03:17 PM
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