Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-07-2014, 10:23 AM
meh
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Yeah, that and Hawaiian has 627...
Just looking at loss of lift suddenly, dropping of Haneda-SEA deal, looking for more 717s, buying 330s, maybe deciding we don't need 700ish pilots to be hired next year. And I heard there was an emergency meeting of the merger committee last month or something.
I really don't know squat on all this, just posting speculative flame-bait here
Just looking at loss of lift suddenly, dropping of Haneda-SEA deal, looking for more 717s, buying 330s, maybe deciding we don't need 700ish pilots to be hired next year. And I heard there was an emergency meeting of the merger committee last month or something.
I really don't know squat on all this, just posting speculative flame-bait here
09-07-2014, 11:13 AM
Gets Weekends Off
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Displace them and train them like everybody else has been doing for over a decade.
A contract is a contract.
09-07-2014, 11:13 AM
Straight QOL, homie
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Just because management wants it doesn't mean Dalpa has to grant it. Why is Dalpa so eager to solve to company's self-induced dilemma??
09-07-2014, 11:15 AM
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If they don't even show it to us before they pass it then I would say "force this on us" is pretty accurate.
It really bothers me when they do these things in secret. I think it shows contempt for the line pilots.
There is no reason this couldn't be an open process. There's no confidential info involved.
As far as the leverage -- I don't know what we should get because I don't have the cost figures. ALPA presumably does. I have lots of suggestions. Instead of paying all the money to 25 of the most senior captains why don't we give a little to everyone. Make vacation pay 3:30. Bump international override by a few cents. etc. etc. Take your pick.
It really bothers me when they do these things in secret. I think it shows contempt for the line pilots.
There is no reason this couldn't be an open process. There's no confidential info involved.
As far as the leverage -- I don't know what we should get because I don't have the cost figures. ALPA presumably does. I have lots of suggestions. Instead of paying all the money to 25 of the most senior captains why don't we give a little to everyone. Make vacation pay 3:30. Bump international override by a few cents. etc. etc. Take your pick.
My trust of the union is entering a spiral.
09-07-2014, 11:16 AM
Straight QOL, homie
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From the latest emailed flight Operations update:
Pilot Hiring Update
As of September 2, 610 pilots have entered training in 2014. We estimate there will be a total of 880 new hires for all of 2014, and we currently have approval to hire 340 pilots in 2015
Ok, before they said we had approved hiring approx 90 a month all next year... that's 1080 folks. NOW they say we only "currently" have approval to hire 340... this seems a deliberate and different amount. Folks will say they are approving it chunk by chunk... but I'm worried this is another dot for us to apply to the biq question of the 747 retirement... suddenly we don't have approval to hire 740 of the pilots we expected to hire next year? I wonder where we can find 740 pilots next year suddenly if we don't hire them?
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Pilot Hiring Update
As of September 2, 610 pilots have entered training in 2014. We estimate there will be a total of 880 new hires for all of 2014, and we currently have approval to hire 340 pilots in 2015
Ok, before they said we had approved hiring approx 90 a month all next year... that's 1080 folks. NOW they say we only "currently" have approval to hire 340... this seems a deliberate and different amount. Folks will say they are approving it chunk by chunk... but I'm worried this is another dot for us to apply to the biq question of the 747 retirement... suddenly we don't have approval to hire 740 of the pilots we expected to hire next year? I wonder where we can find 740 pilots next year suddenly if we don't hire them?
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09-07-2014, 11:43 AM
Gets Weekends Off
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Res question: If assigned a trip for next day flying, say 24+ hours from now, can that trip be placed on the swap board as a p/u? And if so and the trip gets picked up, what happens to the res pilot?
09-07-2014, 11:47 AM
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From the latest emailed flight Operations update:
Pilot Hiring Update
As of September 2, 610 pilots have entered training in 2014. We estimate there will be a total of 880 new hires for all of 2014, and we currently have approval to hire 340 pilots in 2015
Ok, before they said we had approved hiring approx 90 a month all next year... that's 1080 folks. NOW they say we only "currently" have approval to hire 340... this seems a deliberate and different amount. Folks will say they are approving it chunk by chunk... but I'm worried this is another dot for us to apply to the biq question of the 747 retirement... suddenly we don't have approval to hire 740 of the pilots we expected to hire next year? I wonder where we can find 740 pilots next year suddenly if we don't hire them?
....
Pilot Hiring Update
As of September 2, 610 pilots have entered training in 2014. We estimate there will be a total of 880 new hires for all of 2014, and we currently have approval to hire 340 pilots in 2015
Ok, before they said we had approved hiring approx 90 a month all next year... that's 1080 folks. NOW they say we only "currently" have approval to hire 340... this seems a deliberate and different amount. Folks will say they are approving it chunk by chunk... but I'm worried this is another dot for us to apply to the biq question of the 747 retirement... suddenly we don't have approval to hire 740 of the pilots we expected to hire next year? I wonder where we can find 740 pilots next year suddenly if we don't hire them?
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It was also stated that Delta would likely need to hire indefinitely for the foreseeable future, but the key is that the board approved hiring only up to May 2015. 340 pilots in 2015 equals exactly 85 new hires per month through April.
09-07-2014, 11:52 AM
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I believe what was announced was that hiring for 50 per month was approved through April 2015. The number was increased to 85 per month to meet the higher pilot count required as a result of the part 117 LOA.
It was also stated that Delta would likely need to hire indefinitely for the foreseeable future, but the key is that the board approved hiring only up to May 2015. 340 pilots in 2015 equals exactly 85 new hires per month through April.
It was also stated that Delta would likely need to hire indefinitely for the foreseeable future, but the key is that the board approved hiring only up to May 2015. 340 pilots in 2015 equals exactly 85 new hires per month through April.
Hopefully the good times keep on rolling for a decade+
09-07-2014, 12:05 PM
Gets Weekends Off
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I believe what was announced was that hiring for 50 per month was approved through April 2015. The number was increased to 85 per month to meet the higher pilot count required as a result of the part 117 LOA.
It was also stated that Delta would likely need to hire indefinitely for the foreseeable future, but the key is that the board approved hiring only up to May 2015. 340 pilots in 2015 equals exactly 85 new hires per month through April.
It was also stated that Delta would likely need to hire indefinitely for the foreseeable future, but the key is that the board approved hiring only up to May 2015. 340 pilots in 2015 equals exactly 85 new hires per month through April.
TEN
09-07-2014, 12:25 PM
Da Hudge
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I believe what was announced was that hiring for 50 per month was approved through April 2015. The number was increased to 85 per month to meet the higher pilot count required as a result of the part 117 LOA.
It was also stated that Delta would likely need to hire indefinitely for the foreseeable future, but the key is that the board approved hiring only up to May 2015. 340 pilots in 2015 equals exactly 85 new hires per month through April.
It was also stated that Delta would likely need to hire indefinitely for the foreseeable future, but the key is that the board approved hiring only up to May 2015. 340 pilots in 2015 equals exactly 85 new hires per month through April.
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