Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-07-2014, 06:23 AM
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I guess we'll all know when the thing comes out... If 777 guys get skipped, it's wrong though, because they would cause upward movement as well. This is nothing more than protectionism of a few, and all it does is save DAL from having to retrain people in a couple of years.
I agree that this does little for anyone except for the 50 or so guys that get the good deal.
09-07-2014, 06:26 AM
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All that said, I agree with you that the cascade would be unlikely.
09-07-2014, 06:27 AM
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09-07-2014, 06:40 AM
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we know now -- any pilot on the seniority list as of 9/5/14 is eligible to apply. That said, pilots will be selected in two buckets -- 747 captains and everyone else. That's where other more senior guys may well get skipped.
I agree that this does little for anyone except for the 50 or so guys that get the good deal.
I agree that this does little for anyone except for the 50 or so guys that get the good deal.
this
is
wrong
My reps are fixing to get an earful.
09-07-2014, 06:42 AM
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We have got to stop thinking that its our responsibility to solve management's problems or we are never going to get any improvements to our pay and working conditions.
Moakism was OK when the company was bankrupt but now it is harming pilots.
THIS IS NOT OUR PROBLEM.
We have a contract that spells out exactly how to handle surpluses. How about we follow that contract for a change instead of re-writing it every time management wants "relief"?
If the company wants to get out of their contractual obligations then they need to pay us.
Allowing them to pay people out of seniority is a giant give-away.
EVERY pilot should get some benefit for allowing that and not just the few golden boys.
Most of us have been displaced and had to go to school. Some people several times. No offense, but why are 747 captains special?
Moakism was OK when the company was bankrupt but now it is harming pilots.
THIS IS NOT OUR PROBLEM.
We have a contract that spells out exactly how to handle surpluses. How about we follow that contract for a change instead of re-writing it every time management wants "relief"?
If the company wants to get out of their contractual obligations then they need to pay us.
Allowing them to pay people out of seniority is a giant give-away.
EVERY pilot should get some benefit for allowing that and not just the few golden boys.
Most of us have been displaced and had to go to school. Some people several times. No offense, but why are 747 captains special?
+1
09-07-2014, 06:48 AM
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09-07-2014, 06:49 AM
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Carry on, Sir!! The more they hear from us, the better informed a decision they will be able to make. My reps say they are very concerned about the seniority aspect, but needed to consider as well the benefits to the 747 Captains that will not be displaced as a result of the ER.
09-07-2014, 06:55 AM
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Carry on, Sir!! The more they hear from us, the better informed a decision they will be able to make. My reps say they are very concerned about the seniority aspect, but needed to consider as well the benefits to the 747 Captains that will not be displaced as a result of the ER.
I guess all that crap about huge retirements is a bunch of hooey then.
09-07-2014, 07:06 AM
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No sign of MNL...yet.
There has already been an early out program for pilots, a few years back. Not a single 777 Capt. took one. I doubt if we'd see very many go under this new (rumored) incentive program, maybe only if they were already within the 37 weeks of age 65.
But the cash incentive just isn't big enough to draw anyone out, who's already pulling in over $30K month by flying 100 hrs/mo plus greenslips. I seriously doubt many 747 guys will take it either, unless they are 64.5 now.
How many pilots on our list are 64.5 today? That's about the only demographic that would be interested in this program, and I doubt many of them will come off the 747, unless they are in the bottom 25 (who will be displaced) and don't want to go to school for a pay cut.
09-07-2014, 07:07 AM
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