Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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Gloopy,
Agreed that the timing was unfortunate. It would have been better to put the 747 retirement in about paragraph three of a letter on the widebody RFP selection.
During the winter we do have the capacity to flex up. Of course by the time the 747 pilots are displaced, it will be spring again. Their decision on the AE forced their hand into making an impolitic announcement.
Rumors are the Widebody RFP will contain growth. We shall see.
Agreed that the timing was unfortunate. It would have been better to put the 747 retirement in about paragraph three of a letter on the widebody RFP selection.
During the winter we do have the capacity to flex up. Of course by the time the 747 pilots are displaced, it will be spring again. Their decision on the AE forced their hand into making an impolitic announcement.
Rumors are the Widebody RFP will contain growth. We shall see.
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Our management understands even less about the small jet cost structure than your average new hire who came from one of these carriers.
It isn't that Delta Flight Operations management is trying to obsfucate, they just don't know because it is not in their chain of command to know. It would be akin to asking a F15 driver how the reactor machinery on an aircraft carrier works ... you will probably get an answer & the answer will be incorrect.
Our airplanes are serviced by the exact same gate agents and rampers as DCI jets are. There is no difference in these costs. Further, we could staff Delta with DCI flight attendants if Delta wanted to do so. They have no union and no scope.
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Tuesday, September 02, 2014 11:52 a.m. EDT
By Daniel Wallis
(Reuters) - An argument over leg room and reclining seats forced a Florida-bound flight from New York to divert to a different airport late on Monday, the third such incident of a midair disruption caused by passengers in about a week.
Delta Air Lines said that "out of an abundance of caution" the captain of Flight 2370 from New York La Guardia to West Palm Beach chose to land instead at the closest airport, Jacksonville, where local law enforcement removed one passenger.
It did not elaborate on the "disruption," but a witness told Jacksonville TV station WJXT TV-4 that an argument broke out during the flight between one woman who wanted to recline her seat and another in the row behind who wanted to sleep while resting on her tray table.
The witness said one of the women became loud and abusive when a flight attendant was called.
The aircraft later flew on to West Palm Beach where it landed shortly after 11 p.m., a couple of hours late. Delta representatives did not immediately return a call for comment.
The latest incident came just five days after an American Airlines flight to Paris from Miami was diverted to Boston following an argument between passengers over a reclining seat.
In that case, a 60-year-old Frenchman was subdued by plainclothes U.S. air marshals and charged in federal court with interfering with flight crew members, prosecutors said.
Just days before that, a United Airlines flight from Newark, New Jersey, to Denver on Aug. 24 had to be diverted to Chicago due to an argument between passengers over a device that stops the seat in front from reclining.
The airline said one of those involved was using a Knee Defender, a small wedge-like gadget that clips to a tray table and forces the seat in front to stay upright. Many carriers, including United, ban the use of the device.
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I dug down to the bottom of this. Bottom line is the decision is made above the Flight Operations management that we deal with. Our management executes the flying plan they are given.
Our management understands even less about the small jet cost structure than your average new hire who came from one of these carriers.
It isn't that Delta Flight Operations management is trying to obsfucate, they just don't know because it is not in their chain of command to know. It would be akin to asking a F15 driver how the reactor machinery on an aircraft carrier works ... you will probably get an answer & the answer will be incorrect.
Our airplanes are serviced by the exact same gate agents and rampers as DCI jets are. There is no difference in these costs. Further, we could staff Delta with DCI flight attendants if Delta wanted to do so. They have no union and no scope.
Our management understands even less about the small jet cost structure than your average new hire who came from one of these carriers.
It isn't that Delta Flight Operations management is trying to obsfucate, they just don't know because it is not in their chain of command to know. It would be akin to asking a F15 driver how the reactor machinery on an aircraft carrier works ... you will probably get an answer & the answer will be incorrect.
Our airplanes are serviced by the exact same gate agents and rampers as DCI jets are. There is no difference in these costs. Further, we could staff Delta with DCI flight attendants if Delta wanted to do so. They have no union and no scope.
I don't know when you were hired, however in my years here I know that this will never happen and the FA's DO have a pseudo union in ALPA. Just look the history of how they end up getting whatever we negotiate to some extent. Profit sharing was one.
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We know Delta is having a awful time staffing Endeavor. The experiment may fail on that basis alone. We know Delta wants to sell the FAA on a mentorship program to reduce the 1,500 hour ATP requirement. We know Delta has some very smart managers.
If anything is going to happen the Endeavor pilots are going to have to reasonable and humble. A staple at Delta is better than #1 on the Endeavor list by at multiple orders of magnitude (run a spreadsheet). The last time this was attempted, it ran sideways on the politics.
Sure, we would make a compelling case about how relative should only be in tiered categories, and theirs would be at the bottom, but are you really willing to risk your career that we would come out the other side of that without any current pilots losing a single number? That's why I don't think its possible that way. Bring the planes to mainline and hire to the bottom of our list. We can give them pref interviews or even a flow through, but I don't see how we could mitigate the risks of a massive land grab by lots of "senior" pilots with nothing to lose once the decision to put them on our list has been made.
United Airlines plans to retire its 50-seat regional jets by next year, instead deploying larger Embraer regional jets that can seat 76 passengers. The Trefis Team writes that "fleet restructuring focused on replacing older, less fuel-efficient airplanes with new, more fuel-efficient airplanes will add growth to United's results in the coming years." Forbes (8/29)
Imagine that...an airline managed to get rid of 50 seaters without its union telling the pilots some story...
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I keep hearing that too, but I can't seem to find the napkin with the math on it to show how it can be the case.
BTW, what do you think the potential 787 on this RFP means?
We already have slots coming in 2020 (supposedly) and a December RFP announcement (assuming it won't be delayed and delayed and delayed like so many other things…despite "speed wins" ) so what happens if the 787 loses? Do we cancel existing orders? If it wins, do we take orders we were going to take anyway, and if so could they realistically even be on property prior to 2020 anyway? Or do you think they are potential "growth" 787's and we will still take the 2020 ones anyway?
BTW, what do you think the potential 787 on this RFP means?
We already have slots coming in 2020 (supposedly) and a December RFP announcement (assuming it won't be delayed and delayed and delayed like so many other things…despite "speed wins" ) so what happens if the 787 loses? Do we cancel existing orders? If it wins, do we take orders we were going to take anyway, and if so could they realistically even be on property prior to 2020 anyway? Or do you think they are potential "growth" 787's and we will still take the 2020 ones anyway?
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United Airlines plans to retire its 50-seat regional jets by next year, instead deploying larger Embraer regional jets that can seat 76 passengers. The Trefis Team writes that "fleet restructuring focused on replacing older, less fuel-efficient airplanes with new, more fuel-efficient airplanes will add growth to United's results in the coming years." Forbes (8/29)
Imagine that...an airline managed to get rid of 50 seaters without its union telling the pilots some story...
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Just heard via the grapevine that the "merger committee" has been holding "emergency" meetings!
I wonder what's up?!?!?!
Anyone else?
I wonder what's up?!?!?!
Anyone else?
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Agreed, but like the NWA Asian FA base, they could split it off. We should not be closed minded when it comes to unity. All ALPA need concern itself with is pilots.
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