Fly4hire

No, it's still more expensive to over staff than to mitigate it via an early out, I just don't believe it's an early out or massive displacements system wide. More like stagnation for many and lower ALV's in higher paying categories.

shiznit

I'm junior. I don't think we should force a pilot to displace "just because"; nor the guys beneath them that will displace in a waterfall. WTH, would you want someone to do that to you?

The junior 330/765 CA/FO's should be ****ed if they get displaced and the union could have prevented it without it costing a penny of PWA value to the pilot group.

The "bottom" of the 744 CA's are 58-60.. They will displace/stagnate portions of the 777/330/765 categories for 5-6 years. GREAT IDEA, let's do that!

I like things that move pilots off the top of the list without costing us anything, YMMV.

tsquare

There is not a 55 year old at this company that will leave for an early retirement program. ESPECIALLY one that has the seniority to hold the whale. Anybody that thinks they will is smoking weed. If you want t realistic look at this, take anybody on the whales between 64 and 62. Anybody outside that window will displace anyway.

Purple Drank

I like it when "our" "union" maximizes leverage, and makes gains when the environment is ripe. YMMV.

Purple Drank

Also--where's MD on this? How about a clear, concise letter (absent the usual legalese and mealy wording) from him stating that we expect to make gains in return for helping solve the company's self-inflicted crisis. And if the company won't provide those gains for every pilot on the list, the company can wait until Section 6 to address the issue.

Nah, what am I thinking. That would require some leadership and resolve.

sailingfun

However in the last ER program offered most of the pilots taking it were in the 58 to 61 range.

sailingfun

Leverage comes down to cash. Given the delivery schedules on A330's and increased block hours on other widebodies your looking at maybe 500 training events to park every whale. What do you think the additional cost above fixed costs will be as the whales are parked over the next 24 months. Give us a ballpark number on this leverage.

Flamer

Would you be upset if you wanted the early out as a 330A, but it was not available to you while a junior 747A to you was eligible?

I think most people will be for it as long as it doesn't violate the PWA (trend item), is offered to everyone in seniority order, and appears fair to the pilot group. Hope they bring enough bubble gum for everyone.

Purple Drank

Is that the one DALPA expended negotiating capital to secure; said we'd get 300 takers; and we ended up with less than 200?

Purple Drank

Well, sailingfun, shoot. I just don't have those numbers in front of me.

But I know who does. Hint: I give them 1.9% of every single paycheck. In return, I expect them to supply those numbers--and do something with them.

BTW, I haven't seen anything other than rough WAGs and completely unsupported conjecture from you. You estimate "500 training events?." Very well. I estimate 5,000 training events. See, I can make up numbers, too.

You also refuse to acknowledge the leverage created due to the training pipeline already running heavier than it has in years. Cascading displacements could result in backed up training and cancelled flights next summer. There are "cash" and intangible costs of that outcome. Again, I expect "my" "union" to exploit that situation.

You claim to be on the pilots' side. But every single post from you on this issue is a replay of the company's position. Why is that?