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08-29-2014, 06:06 AM
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It seems no airline can justify the whales. They are being retired as fast as airlines can park them. Keep in mind that Delta's 747-400's are among the very oldest flying. NW was the launch customer if I recall correctly.
I doubt this will happen but there might be a glimmer of hope. The jets being parked are leased. Perhaps were playing hardball on the lease rates. The value of the jets is scrap value only. The owners at best can part them out. Since Delta has not displaced pilots perhaps it's a ploy for lower lease rates. Still no one seems to want them worldwide and the economic numbers for parking them were compelling when given to the union.
I doubt this will happen but there might be a glimmer of hope. The jets being parked are leased. Perhaps were playing hardball on the lease rates. The value of the jets is scrap value only. The owners at best can part them out. Since Delta has not displaced pilots perhaps it's a ploy for lower lease rates. Still no one seems to want them worldwide and the economic numbers for parking them were compelling when given to the union.
As a bit of 744 trivia, 6301 was the first 747 produced, but was not delivered to NWA for several years. it was leased back by Boeing for testing. 6302 was delivered in 1988.
I too suspected they were playing hardball with the leasors. the bankruptcy saw amazing rate reductions. Some of those leases are up for renegotiations. I think that the lessor called our bluff... negotiations are only as strong as your willingness to walk away from a deal.
08-29-2014, 06:24 AM
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08-29-2014, 06:46 AM
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Then again maybe we are pushing for reduced lease rates and this is all three dimensional-time warp-ninja management Chess.
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08-29-2014, 06:54 AM
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Agree with Tsquare and GG. Early outs are something the company needs to avoid a very expensive and manpower-draining training cascade. (of course the company's bean counters didn't look at those limfacs when making their decision). So now they're up a creek.
They need to provide incentive if they want to offer them (in seniority order, of course).
However...I see DALPA (and us) getting rolled. Again.
They need to provide incentive if they want to offer them (in seniority order, of course).
However...I see DALPA (and us) getting rolled. Again.
08-29-2014, 06:55 AM
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08-29-2014, 07:01 AM
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Agree with Tsquare and GG. Early outs are something the company needs to avoid a very expensive and manpower-draining training cascade. (of course the company's bean counters didn't look at those limfacs when making their decision). So now they're up a creek.
They need to provide incentive if they want to offer them (in seniority order, of course).
However...I see DALPA (and us) getting rolled. Again.
They need to provide incentive if they want to offer them (in seniority order, of course).
However...I see DALPA (and us) getting rolled. Again.
08-29-2014, 07:12 AM
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As long as they offer it to.everyone in seniority order.
If not, then we can pass on this deal.
08-29-2014, 07:15 AM
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08-29-2014, 07:23 AM
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I am not getting some of the angst with this whole (possible) deal. It almost seems like some would rather have them displace these pilots (causing more possible displacements) than to try and mitigate the damage?
Which course of action provides the best possible outcome for the pilot group and why? (Not a rhetorical question and assuming we aren't giving anything up)
08-29-2014, 07:26 AM
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The 737 is senior for a number of reasons. Not everyone wants to fly long-haul international. The 737 has the best trips in the system. It's all about quality of life. That is why it's senior.
I'm middle of the pack on the 737. I can hold international on larger aircraft in my base. I choose not to because of the lifestyle the 737 affords. Guys senior to me aren't going anywhere, either. It's all about lifestyle.
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