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Old 08-28-2014, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by EdGrimley
Good catch! Btw, Sailing has a long history of selectively using so called "data" (whether pulling from the Swellbars of the industry or slicing and dicing info from ALPA/Delta headquarters). Crafty, lawyerly ways. You gotta admit it's kind of stinky. Reminds me of this guy:

Yet no one else ever posts any data to refute those numbers. That data is simply collated from the airline form 4's submitted by the government. Quick and easy for the union to cross check. To think are management would risk going to jail to try and change something easily checked is a bit far fetched. The numbers are in line with numbers from the union and company in years past.
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Old 08-28-2014, 02:03 PM
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There is an AE out.


NYC 717 Base. 20 Captains/30 FO's

10 ATL 777 Captains

15 SEA 330 Captains

15 73N NYC/SLC 73N Captains (each)


More stuff, too. That's the hilights.
Lots of ER FO slots. I suspect a lot of new hires headed that way. Makes you wonder about the 757 retirement plan.
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Old 08-28-2014, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
There is an AE out.


NYC 717 Base. 20 Captains/30 FO's

10 ATL 777 Captains

15 SEA 330 Captains

15 73N NYC/SLC 73N Captains (each)


More stuff, too. That's the hilights.
Bets on how junior NYC 717A will go.
I say 97xx
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Old 08-28-2014, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Yet no one else ever posts any data to refute those numbers. That data is simply collated from the airline form 4's submitted by the government. Quick and easy for the union to cross check. To think are management would risk going to jail to try and change something easily checked is a bit far fetched. The numbers are in line with numbers from the union and company in years past.
Sailing,
There's lies damn lies and statistics. The union used the data in the past to carry managements water. You were mind controlled.
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Old 08-28-2014, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by bohicagain
Bets on how junior NYC 717A will go.
I say 97xx
Seeing 97x I immediately had to watch this classic scene from Rainman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBGiU4usqqg
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Old 08-28-2014, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
There is an AE out.


NYC 717 Base. 20 Captains/30 FO's

10 ATL 777 Captains

15 SEA 330 Captains

15 73N NYC/SLC 73N Captains (each)


More stuff, too. That's the hilights.

I am not complaining, but 15 SEA 330 A's and no B's? weird...
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Old 08-28-2014, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Sailing,
There's lies damn lies and statistics. The union used the data in the past to carry managements water. You were mind controlled.
Your right,those union boys want to make as little as possible and work every single day.
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Old 08-28-2014, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotc90a
I am not complaining, but 15 SEA 330 A's and no B's? weird...
Adding a over 12 flight and dropping a under 12 flight.
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Old 08-28-2014, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Your right,those union boys want to make as little as possible and work every single day.
No. Those "union boys" think whatever Delta says is good for them is good for us. They've accepted bankruptcy as a reset and don't want to rock the boat. They fancy themselves as business savvy and sympathize with the bean counters. This makes management's job infinitely easier in convincing thousands of pilots to accept a drastically lower standard of compensation for our profession.

They do a great job for management's desire to keep costs as low as possible. But for the pilots who understand the true value of what we do and also understand how relatively insignificant our cost is in the grand scheme of things, they do a p*ss poor job.

I really think that some of them are just ignorant. Some are naive. Some are extremely compliant. Some have fooled themselves into thinking they know more about business than they actually know. And some are arguably playing for the wrong team.
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Old 08-28-2014, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by bohicagain
Bets on how junior NYC 717A will go.
I say 97xx
I crunched the numbers as an '07 hire. Minimal raise from a greenslippin' ERB to a 5-leg/day 717A reserve. I'll stay with the European layovers and gelato, thanks.
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