Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-28-2014, 05:10 AM
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Do you have a source? Link to an article? I would like to read up on their background.
Anyone think a Flight Attendant has the authority to negotiate our next contract? I would guess they shuffled the deck chairs as Mike Campbell retires and Ms. Smith has a long history of Delta service; including Song.
Management has pushed the pause button, which kinda makes sense. The NMB process is anathematic to getting a deal done; nothing much happens until such action is compelled. In the mean time, why waste money by sending people actually empowered to the table? It seems when the horse trading starts Ed and Richard are in the loop pretty quickly.
Management's message is received, just as it has been from blowing off our transatlantic joint venture. So they parked us and have acted in bad faith (which will finally have a formal distinction at the end of the "cure" period). IMHO, that cuts in our favor. Management is justifying our self help.
I could care less who management sends to the table, but I sure want them to abide their scope deals.
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08-28-2014, 05:25 AM
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08-28-2014, 05:27 AM
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Warning - Public Math and crude estimates follow: 
The Contract 2015, Delta Pilots Contract history that we received lists the following for Block Hours flown:
DAL in 2000 - 2,269,404 Block hours flown. *
NW in 2000 - 1,487,463 Block hours flown. **
Using 10,000 Pilots at DAL you get about 227 hours per Pilot.
Using 7000 Pilots at NW you get about 212 hours per Pilot.
You can multiply these numbers by 2 and get 454 and 424 average block time respectively in 2000.
DAL combined in 2012 flew 2,642,225 Block hours.
Using 11,500 Pilots you get about 230 block hours per Pilot.
Multiplying by 2 you get 460 average block time per Pilot.
Note - I am estimating the number of total pilots for each of these snapshots. 10,000 was pretty much dead on for DAL in 2000, and 11,500 is close to what we had in 2012.
7000 for NW in 2000 was a total guess.
If anyone has more accurate numbers they can recalculate more accurate numbers.
You can tweak these numbers any way you like - I am not taking into account any MIL leaves, Sick, LOA, augmented crews etc - that is beyond my knowledge level.
* From page 6.
** From page 8
These numbers differ from the block hours listed on page 3 (although they are very close) which considering it is all the same document does not really inspire confidence.
I think the big takeaway here is how much the combined DAL has shrunk since the merger - total bummer. Although, to be fair most of that "shrinkage" had already occurred by 2007 when the combined block hour total was approximately 3,000,000.
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The Contract 2015, Delta Pilots Contract history that we received lists the following for Block Hours flown:
DAL in 2000 - 2,269,404 Block hours flown. *
NW in 2000 - 1,487,463 Block hours flown. **
Using 10,000 Pilots at DAL you get about 227 hours per Pilot.
Using 7000 Pilots at NW you get about 212 hours per Pilot.
You can multiply these numbers by 2 and get 454 and 424 average block time respectively in 2000.
DAL combined in 2012 flew 2,642,225 Block hours.
Using 11,500 Pilots you get about 230 block hours per Pilot.
Multiplying by 2 you get 460 average block time per Pilot.
Note - I am estimating the number of total pilots for each of these snapshots. 10,000 was pretty much dead on for DAL in 2000, and 11,500 is close to what we had in 2012.
7000 for NW in 2000 was a total guess.
If anyone has more accurate numbers they can recalculate more accurate numbers.You can tweak these numbers any way you like - I am not taking into account any MIL leaves, Sick, LOA, augmented crews etc - that is beyond my knowledge level.
* From page 6.
** From page 8
These numbers differ from the block hours listed on page 3 (although they are very close) which considering it is all the same document does not really inspire confidence.
I think the big takeaway here is how much the combined DAL has shrunk since the merger - total bummer. Although, to be fair most of that "shrinkage" had already occurred by 2007 when the combined block hour total was approximately 3,000,000.
Scoop
08-28-2014, 05:34 AM
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Come to think of it; Carl! Carl ? CARRRYL! Someone find Carl and tell him we got a opening for 747 Captain consultants.
08-28-2014, 05:38 AM
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1. Steak
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And you get... Tofu with baby carrots.
08-28-2014, 05:46 AM
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08-28-2014, 06:01 AM
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Sailing fun, not trying to pick a fight but those numbers have zero supporting documentation. Maybe it's buried somewhere in the website I didn't see. Does this account for:
International ops that require 3-4 crew members
Mil leave (Delta must have a higher% than carriers such as Frontier)
Training, special assignment, 4th floor, manager etc. pilots supporting the operation
Sick leave pilots
Any adjustment for our diff fleet types versus SWA and others
Our more mature (cough old farts) pilot ranks
There's much more considerations but I'm just not that smart...
Thanks for posting nonetheless.
International ops that require 3-4 crew members
Mil leave (Delta must have a higher% than carriers such as Frontier)
Training, special assignment, 4th floor, manager etc. pilots supporting the operation
Sick leave pilots
Any adjustment for our diff fleet types versus SWA and others
Our more mature (cough old farts) pilot ranks
There's much more considerations but I'm just not that smart...
Thanks for posting nonetheless.
08-28-2014, 06:04 AM
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I'm going to start wearing them just to **** off the long-sleeved wearing haters on this forum.
08-28-2014, 06:16 AM
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To correct the above JS did not start as a flight attendant. She was a outside hire from DHL who went through flight attendant training to try and be a better supervisor. I give her credit for that. She also put together a outstanding flight attendant group for Song. Where I give her less credit is bringing that culture and customer service and work ethic back to the mainline when song was shutdown.
08-28-2014, 06:33 AM
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