Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-18-2014, 07:01 PM
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Thanks for the response guys. I think I read the 45 minute interview thingy from the "other" forum. I don't remember. My big problem with the last few pages of this forum is the over the top reaction. Someone saw smoke and everyone yelled fire!!!! No one bothered to see the smoke was caused by T's BBQ while tailgating... I wish we had more level headed responses and a more civilized debate.
Dal88, it's so hard to not respond on here with real names. Lol. (-:
I also read on one of our forums....maybe it was our Facebook group, that a response from Moak was coming. The poster who spoke with Moak said that.
Dal88, it's so hard to not respond on here with real names. Lol. (-:
I also read on one of our forums....maybe it was our Facebook group, that a response from Moak was coming. The poster who spoke with Moak said that.
08-18-2014, 07:06 PM
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For those who don't already know, the attorney in question is Lee Seham. Lee is a very tough attorney who has beaten ALPA in court many times, and has referred to ALPA national as a wife beater and ALPA members as being the battered spouses.
So you can see that a lover of all things ALPA like alfaromeo would throw this kind of emotional tantrum. Carry on Alfa.
Carl
So you can see that a lover of all things ALPA like alfaromeo would throw this kind of emotional tantrum. Carry on Alfa.
Carl
08-18-2014, 07:17 PM
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"Mature".
W. T. F??
To me, and most others, Mature means; done, finished, not going to grow much from there.
We are still making LESS than 2004 pay rates, 10 YEARS LATER!!
The companies are brining in BILLIONS, PER QUARTER!!
Management's stock options are worth MILLIONS, PER PERSON!
WE still have NO RETIRMENT PLAN (if you are in your 50's today and lost over $1 Million in DB money in 2004).
Where is DALPA talking about RESTORATION? Where is Lee talking about RESTORATION?
Is he at Ed's Birthday Party...again??
He tells this reporter:
"The airlines are making money, the contacts are mature, I LOVE IT!" ??
Really?
Note to Lee:
Pull your head out of Richard's ass and start to RESTORE our PAY and BENEFITS!!
08-18-2014, 07:29 PM
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alfa,
I'll concede that there was no official directive, resolution, marching order, what have you, for any ALPA official to hack DPA's website.
However, your carefully worded missive does not unequivocally deny that any high level ALPA operative was involved, i.e. that Mr. Private Writings was not an elected or appointed "volunteer. "
I'll ask again alfa, and I have no doubt that you know the REAL answer to this question, seeing how these are your buds...
"Are you saying that Mr. Private Writings does not now hold, or hold at the time of the "hacking," any ALPA office, whether appointed or elected? Or that Mr. Private Writings was not an "ALPA Volunteer" in any capacity at the time his "thoughts of a personal nature" were "intermingling" with DPA's website?"
I don't know what the truth is, but I bet you do. Does Mr. Private Writings hold any official position within ALPA, whether elected or appointed? And was he/she receiving any FPL at or about the time the hacking incident took place last fall?
I'll concede that there was no official directive, resolution, marching order, what have you, for any ALPA official to hack DPA's website.
However, your carefully worded missive does not unequivocally deny that any high level ALPA operative was involved, i.e. that Mr. Private Writings was not an elected or appointed "volunteer. "
I'll ask again alfa, and I have no doubt that you know the REAL answer to this question, seeing how these are your buds...
"Are you saying that Mr. Private Writings does not now hold, or hold at the time of the "hacking," any ALPA office, whether appointed or elected? Or that Mr. Private Writings was not an "ALPA Volunteer" in any capacity at the time his "thoughts of a personal nature" were "intermingling" with DPA's website?"
I don't know what the truth is, but I bet you do. Does Mr. Private Writings hold any official position within ALPA, whether elected or appointed? And was he/she receiving any FPL at or about the time the hacking incident took place last fall?
I read the transcripts and filings as they become available but I have no idea of Mr. Private Writings and I really don't even know what "Mr. Private Writings" means. I assume you mean the pilot who allegedly hacked the website. I don't want to know ever who this is because I don't want to have anything to do with this sham case.
All I know is that if DPA had a shred of evidence that this person was directed by ALPA in any fashion to do this alleged "hacking" (which I don't believe occurred and I believe that DPA f-ed up their DNS entries and then tried to cover their incompetence) they would have sued ALPA because ALPA has more money than a single pilot does. Therefore, all your insinuations are pure BS because there is no evidence that ALPA was involved in any way. I only know that because DPA is not suing them.
But, hey, let's all jump on the crazy train and assume that DPA is correct. Let's say some Delta pilot hacked their website and posted nasty notes for a couple of days. How is my supposed future union going to act? Are they going to take his house away from him? Get him fired? Please let me know what our new "union", supposedly dedicated to Delta pilots, is going to do to him. Everyone involved in DPA should ask themselves some hard questions. What if in the future you decided you don't like DPA? Are they going to sue you and take your house because you criticized them or mocked them? Seriously, a union is supposed to protect pilots not drag them through the courts. This is simply disgusting behavior.
I will say it again. Every single time DPA puts out some missive about this case, it includes a "SERIOUS and URGENT" call for more funds. Coincidence? Let's all read the transcripts when they come out and find out exactly how badly DPA got spanked in court the other day. They "won" nothing. They were forced to conceal the identity of the pilot that ALPA knew about (and I don't) because ALPA tries to protect pilots and DPA tries to persecute them. It's pretty simple. Why should any pilot be stupid enough to give money to attack a fellow Delta pilot in court? Who are they going to go after next? Explain that please.
08-18-2014, 07:50 PM
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Thanks for the response guys. I think I read the 45 minute interview thingy from the "other" forum. I don't remember. My big problem with the last few pages of this forum is the over the top reaction. Someone saw smoke and everyone yelled fire!!!! No one bothered to see the smoke was caused by T's BBQ while tailgating... I wish we had more level headed responses and a more civilized debate.
Dal88, it's so hard to not respond on here with real names. Lol. (-:
I also read on one of our forums....maybe it was our Facebook group, that a response from Moak was coming. The poster who spoke with Moak said that.
Dal88, it's so hard to not respond on here with real names. Lol. (-:
I also read on one of our forums....maybe it was our Facebook group, that a response from Moak was coming. The poster who spoke with Moak said that.
I understand what you're saying. I just don't really agree with your conclusions about the discussion we've had on this topic. Those quotes, taken at face value, could have pretty serious ramifications for our next contract. We need to be setting expectations for significant restoration, not lowering expectations.
Whether it's our own pilots, management, the NMB, Wall Street, etc.... we need to be setting expectations that bankruptcy was NOT a reset and that we will not ultimately accept a dramatically lower value for compensation for this profession. Without some serious rationalization, Moak's quotes clearly lower expectations. As far as I'm concerned, it's a pretty serious issue. And like I said before... the thing that makes it even more serious in my mind is that my reps actually AGREE with those quotes and see nothing wrong with them.
I understand why you'd like everything to be happy, happy with conversations about rumors, college football, hangar talk, maybe a risque picture or two, etc. I'd like that too. But this IS the "Airline Pilot Central" forum... and I think conversations about trying to dig out of this gigantic hole in which we find ourselves today are relevant, don't you?
08-18-2014, 08:15 PM
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Okay, it took me a while but I get it. It's a line being drawn in the sand, but I don't see the line. I really just see a camels toe, but no line. So I don't get how this relates to the Lee Moak discussion, because no line was drawn in the sand. It's really just a camel toe.
I'm confused. Let me turn the dome light on and land that way. Maybe things will make more sense.
I'm confused. Let me turn the dome light on and land that way. Maybe things will make more sense.
08-18-2014, 08:18 PM
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Mmm...camel toe....Mmmmm...
I'm sorry, what were we talking about??
I'm sorry, what were we talking about??
08-18-2014, 08:20 PM
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08-18-2014, 08:23 PM
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08-18-2014, 09:08 PM
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The part I have a problem with, is when he said our contracts are...
"Mature".
W. T. F??
To me, and most others, Mature means; done, finished, not going to grow much from there.
We are still making LESS than 2004 pay rates, 10 YEARS LATER!!
The companies are brining in BILLIONS, PER QUARTER!!
Management's stock options are worth MILLIONS, PER PERSON!
WE still have NO RETIRMENT PLAN (if you are in your 50's today and lost over $1 Million in DB money in 2004).
Where is DALPA talking about RESTORATION? Where is Lee talking about RESTORATION?
Is he at Ed's Birthday Party...again??
He tells this reporter:
"The airlines are making money, the contacts are mature, I LOVE IT!" ??
Really?
Note to Lee:
Pull your head out of Richard's ass and start to RESTORE our PAY and BENEFITS!!
"Mature".
W. T. F??
To me, and most others, Mature means; done, finished, not going to grow much from there.
We are still making LESS than 2004 pay rates, 10 YEARS LATER!!
The companies are brining in BILLIONS, PER QUARTER!!
Management's stock options are worth MILLIONS, PER PERSON!
WE still have NO RETIRMENT PLAN (if you are in your 50's today and lost over $1 Million in DB money in 2004).
Where is DALPA talking about RESTORATION? Where is Lee talking about RESTORATION?
Is he at Ed's Birthday Party...again??
He tells this reporter:
"The airlines are making money, the contacts are mature, I LOVE IT!" ??
Really?
Note to Lee:
Pull your head out of Richard's ass and start to RESTORE our PAY and BENEFITS!!
My nomination for "Post of The Day". I know that the day is early, but, still...
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