Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-17-2014, 12:19 PM
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Three questions for you Hillbilly:
1. Did you read the letter by Mr. Private Writings--the one that was drafted with the assistance of ALPA National staff attorneys?
2. Do you actually believe what's in the letter?
3. If yes, do you actually believe that a website with an anti-DPA message just accidentally and coincidentally showed up on the DPA website?
Our profession is made up of skeptics. It's part of our DNA. It's what helps keep us safe and alive. Most of us can sniff BS out a mile away. This one stinks a hundred miles out.
1. Did you read the letter by Mr. Private Writings--the one that was drafted with the assistance of ALPA National staff attorneys?
2. Do you actually believe what's in the letter?
3. If yes, do you actually believe that a website with an anti-DPA message just accidentally and coincidentally showed up on the DPA website?
Our profession is made up of skeptics. It's part of our DNA. It's what helps keep us safe and alive. Most of us can sniff BS out a mile away. This one stinks a hundred miles out.
1. Yes
2. I don't think it's false. I do think it read very scripted and struck me as odd with the choice of words, etc. and it did raise my BS flag initially. Then I realized that the only part of any significance (in my opinion) was the part about how the individual admitted to not having the skillset necessary to hack anything and the redirect was discovered when they logged on to their own site. Hacking is the accusation after all.
3. No I don't. I suspect when the person logged onto their personal site and saw they were getting redirects they had some fun with it. Not the best headwork, but also not criminal hacking as far as I can tell.
I agree that the whole thing stinks to high heaven.
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08-17-2014, 12:21 PM
Wind the clock beoch
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I don't speak for DPA. I don't even know what server logs are.
Why hasn't ALPA published the last contract survey results?
Did an ALPA national attorney help you draft this nonsense? You think the DPA hacked their own website? That's really too much Bar, but entirely within your M.O. to blame the victim. Why did Mr. Private Writings contact ALPA attorneys, Bar? Why would they seek protection and legal representation if they know they had done nothing wrong?
And yet those "half price legal services" managed to defeat ALPA in court on Thursday. It seems ALPA's purported attorney-client privilege claim as to the identity of Mr. Private Writings was found to NOT EXIST.
Why hasn't ALPA published the last contract survey results?
One guy had a theory that a pilot had a domain "deltapilot" and the DPA accidently left the "s" off of their "Deltapilots" domain. If so, the DPA actually was responsible for the redirect. The "deltapilot" domain guy then decided to have some fun ... which would have been funny if not for the fact that the DPA had run out of ideas and this was an opportunity to raise funds and identify an "enemy."
Dunno, but that explanation make(s) sense to me. The DPA discovered their error and fixed it.
Dunno, but that explanation make(s) sense to me. The DPA discovered their error and fixed it.
And yet those "half price legal services" managed to defeat ALPA in court on Thursday. It seems ALPA's purported attorney-client privilege claim as to the identity of Mr. Private Writings was found to NOT EXIST.
08-17-2014, 12:21 PM
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OJ? Wow, you're grasping at straws there. Not even remotely similar to this. My point is that it's blatantly obvious that DPA yet again has had the wind taken out of their sails. I'm sure the legal bills are beginning to stack up quite high on TC. There is zero evidence that DPA's website was indeed hacked. For all we know, TC did it himself. After all, they filed a lawsuit against John Doe. After they publicly accused DALPA of hacking their website, and getting the FBI involved. A slam dunk case indeed.
Name calling? Good to see you're capable of mature debate.
Name calling? Good to see you're capable of mature debate.
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08-17-2014, 12:21 PM
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Yes if it is directly related to his employment. That's irrelevant in this case. They were hit with a subpoena.
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08-17-2014, 12:26 PM
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Aren't you a member?
Isn't this "our" club?
... and we might all be making an erroneous assumption that ALPA is defending this person. ALPA may stop at simply being responsive to discovery that it had to respond to.
Now the problem is ALPA may have turned over documentation which was more properly "work product" and protected by attorney - client privilege.
IMHO we should do more to protect "our beloved club." We need a strong union to achieve our goals and protect our jobs. Way too often we throw our association under the bus, getting in trouble collectively rather than making the difficult choices. ALPA takes a lot of heat ... defending pilots.
Isn't this "our" club?
... and we might all be making an erroneous assumption that ALPA is defending this person. ALPA may stop at simply being responsive to discovery that it had to respond to.
Now the problem is ALPA may have turned over documentation which was more properly "work product" and protected by attorney - client privilege.
IMHO we should do more to protect "our beloved club." We need a strong union to achieve our goals and protect our jobs. Way too often we throw our association under the bus, getting in trouble collectively rather than making the difficult choices. ALPA takes a lot of heat ... defending pilots.
08-17-2014, 12:27 PM
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I'm a let the chips fall where they may kind of guy. However, in fairness, and with significant distance from the DPA, this last DALPA posting on the "hacking" topic is a pretty far cry from what has come out in the past.
08-17-2014, 12:27 PM
Wind the clock beoch
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1. Yes
2. I don't think it's false. I do think it read very scripted and struck me as odd with the choice of words, etc. and it did raise my BS flag initially. Then I realized that the only part of any significance (in my opinion) was the part about how the individual admitted to not having the skillset necessary to hack anything and the redirect was discovered when they logged on to their own site. Hacking is the accusation after all.
3. No I don't. I suspect when the person logged onto their personal site and saw they were getting redirects they had some fun with it. Not the best headwork, but also not criminal hacking as far as I can tell.
I agree that the whole thing stinks to high heaven.
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2. I don't think it's false. I do think it read very scripted and struck me as odd with the choice of words, etc. and it did raise my BS flag initially. Then I realized that the only part of any significance (in my opinion) was the part about how the individual admitted to not having the skillset necessary to hack anything and the redirect was discovered when they logged on to their own site. Hacking is the accusation after all.
3. No I don't. I suspect when the person logged onto their personal site and saw they were getting redirects they had some fun with it. Not the best headwork, but also not criminal hacking as far as I can tell.
I agree that the whole thing stinks to high heaven.
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You said that the letter is scripted and used an odd choice of words. I agree.
Would it matter to you if those "private writings and thoughts of a personal nature" actually WERE the anti-DPA information that was published on DPA's website?
And would it matter to you (and only time will tell if this is the case), if Mr. Private Writings turns out to be an ALPA insider?
Would either of those change your opinion as to how high this thing stinks?
08-17-2014, 12:40 PM
Wind the clock beoch
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Of course I am, but it's been a long time since ALPA has even remotely represented me. And I'm not alone in thinking that.
You advocated in an earlier post that members of DPA should be expelled and that they don't "deserve the privilege of membership." Way to build that "unity" Bar. "Unity" is merely a false rallying cry to fall in line with whatever the chairman says.
While it may be your "club" it's not mine. It's supposed to be a union. Until our "leadership" stops going to management birthday parties, watching baseball games with the CEO, and having our national "club" president going on a wall street interview tour telling investors our "contracts are mature" and that ALPA's contract demands won't prove onerous to airlines, we are going to get more of the same.
You advocated in an earlier post that members of DPA should be expelled and that they don't "deserve the privilege of membership." Way to build that "unity" Bar. "Unity" is merely a false rallying cry to fall in line with whatever the chairman says.
While it may be your "club" it's not mine. It's supposed to be a union. Until our "leadership" stops going to management birthday parties, watching baseball games with the CEO, and having our national "club" president going on a wall street interview tour telling investors our "contracts are mature" and that ALPA's contract demands won't prove onerous to airlines, we are going to get more of the same.
08-17-2014, 12:40 PM
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It boils down to harm. There was none. If anything this was a fundraising windfall and gave the DPA a lot more to talk about than their Crew Van News from before the incident took place:
QUOTE = DPA
"Tentative Agreement Voting Opens Today!
Perhaps you woke up this morning and grabbed the USA Today. You may have noticed an article describing the horrors occurring right now in China where government officials dragged a woman out of her home, covered her head, beat her and then carried her to a hospital where they forced an abortion on her, killing her 7 month old unborn child....all for not paying a $6,300 fine for having a second child! The citizens of China and the world are outraged by the actions of a governing body that would trample on its citizens.
[COLOR=#333333]ALPA has trampled on you by ignoring your survey inputs. When Reps are asked about the Contract Survey results, they declare the survey was merely "aspirational" in nature."[/quote]
If this was an "insider" out to harm the DPA, they failed. In fact they aided the DPA, helped it, funded it and sustained it.
08-17-2014, 12:48 PM
Wind the clock beoch
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I'm not sure what Check Essential means by "any connection to DALPA", it seems pretty broad.
Are you saying that Mr. Private Writings does not now hold, or hold at the time of the "hacking," any ALPA office, whether appointed or elected? Or that Mr. Private Writings was an "ALPA Volunteer" in any capacity at the time his "thoughts of a personal nature" were "intermingling" with DPA's website?
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