Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-14-2014, 05:54 PM
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717 LGA shuttle flying has been on the 717 future city list for 6 months. The plan was for DTW to fly the majority of the trips just like the DTW 320 base did previously. This announcement doesn't seem to preclude a West Coast at all. I don't think anyone knows until marketing decides. My money would be on NYC though.
I'd gladly do the shuttle flying, seems fun. It's about as long as I can stand to sit in a jet these days. I do a lot of EWR and HOU and it hurts my butt. I love 30-40 minute flights. Nirvana would be 30-40 minute flights to a place that has D-ATIS and PDCs and no wheels up times.
I bet anything out west or east will be handled by DTW and ATL until they finally make a decision. We've got a lot of LGA-Florida flying on the 717 in September. That's new.
08-14-2014, 05:57 PM
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It would be a travesty to destroy the main terminal as it is architecturally significant in aviation history.(No, not all the clap-trap they hung on it.) I'm not sure,but by the looks of them, the bathrooms have never been touched.....
08-14-2014, 06:00 PM
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Agreed.
I'd gladly do the shuttle flying, seems fun. It's about as long as I can stand to sit in a jet these days. I do a lot of EWR and HOU and it hurts my butt. I love 30-40 minute flights. Nirvana would be 30-40 minute flights to a place that has D-ATIS and PDCs and no wheels up times.
I bet anything out west or east will be handled by DTW and ATL until they finally make a decision. We've got a lot of LGA-Florida flying on the 717 in September. That's new.
I'd gladly do the shuttle flying, seems fun. It's about as long as I can stand to sit in a jet these days. I do a lot of EWR and HOU and it hurts my butt. I love 30-40 minute flights. Nirvana would be 30-40 minute flights to a place that has D-ATIS and PDCs and no wheels up times.
I bet anything out west or east will be handled by DTW and ATL until they finally make a decision. We've got a lot of LGA-Florida flying on the 717 in September. That's new.
08-14-2014, 06:05 PM
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Our turn times on the 717 are 35 minutes.
I don't think the goal is to have a full plane on the shuttle so anything less than full and 30 min is doable. Especially if we are not dealing with the aisle chairs and WCs that are on a typical flight but even then we turn full loads both ways in 35 minutes.
We recorded it one day for fun. 10 minutes to unload 110, 10 to clean and cater it, 10 to load 110 back on and 5 to spare.
It's a small jet.
I don't think the goal is to have a full plane on the shuttle so anything less than full and 30 min is doable. Especially if we are not dealing with the aisle chairs and WCs that are on a typical flight but even then we turn full loads both ways in 35 minutes.
We recorded it one day for fun. 10 minutes to unload 110, 10 to clean and cater it, 10 to load 110 back on and 5 to spare.
It's a small jet.
08-14-2014, 06:08 PM
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Supposedly, we are flying to CDG from SLC and DTW and other places where we are flying that they are NOT because they are flying big stuff out of JFK. I don't know the intricacies of the JV deal, but I am going with the premise that we are (will be) our of compliance. So what do we do about it? I think the opportunity here is for dALPA to say that DAL cannot put any code on these newly announced flights until compliance is assured, or better yet, renegotiated.
Prove it.....
Prove it.....
08-14-2014, 06:16 PM
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08-14-2014, 06:17 PM
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My guess is it will be folded into C2015 and monetized. A scope sale.
If that happens I will vote NO.
Supposedly, we are flying to CDG from SLC and DTW and other places where we are flying that they are NOT because they are flying big stuff out of JFK. I don't know the intricacies of the JV deal, but I am going with the premise that we are (will be) our of compliance. So what do we do about it? I think the opportunity here is for dALPA to say that DAL cannot put any code on these newly announced flights until compliance is assured, or better yet, renegotiated.
Council 44 has a nice update on the status of the JV. The company will not be in compliance by the end of the cure period. They are however currently in compliance looking forward. Here is the summary.
The Company is currently at 47 percent (46.8 percent on an internal audit) of the EASKs and needs to be at 48.5 percent on a three-year rolling average to achieve compliance. The latest OAG data pull shows that Delta will be at 47 percent at the end of the cure period. For perspective, to return to compliance Delta would have to fly:
15.1 daily DTW-AMS 330-300 flights.
or
20.5 daily JFK-LHR 767-400 flights.
The numbers get larger because it’s a three-year average and there are fewer months left to raise the average.
It needs to be noted that our flying has not decreased, (on an EASK basis) and actually has increased about 3 percent year-over-year. However, the pull-down from the economic downturn (2011-2012) has caused the company to be out of compliance on a three-year average basis. If the measurement period were a one-year period they would be in compliance.
The bottom line is that the company will likely not be in compliance and will violate the PWA next year. The MEC has not yet decided upon the actions we will take regarding this PWA violation.
Council 44 has a nice update on the status of the JV. The company will not be in compliance by the end of the cure period. They are however currently in compliance looking forward. Here is the summary.
The Company is currently at 47 percent (46.8 percent on an internal audit) of the EASKs and needs to be at 48.5 percent on a three-year rolling average to achieve compliance. The latest OAG data pull shows that Delta will be at 47 percent at the end of the cure period. For perspective, to return to compliance Delta would have to fly:
15.1 daily DTW-AMS 330-300 flights.
or
20.5 daily JFK-LHR 767-400 flights.
The numbers get larger because it’s a three-year average and there are fewer months left to raise the average.
It needs to be noted that our flying has not decreased, (on an EASK basis) and actually has increased about 3 percent year-over-year. However, the pull-down from the economic downturn (2011-2012) has caused the company to be out of compliance on a three-year average basis. If the measurement period were a one-year period they would be in compliance.
The bottom line is that the company will likely not be in compliance and will violate the PWA next year. The MEC has not yet decided upon the actions we will take regarding this PWA violation.
If that happens I will vote NO.
08-14-2014, 06:18 PM
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The shuttle used to board and deplane in about half the time of a regular flight. The passengers knew how to get on and off quickly and did not tolerate those who did not. We often turned a 727 in 20 minutes. A passenger standing in the aisle reshuffling their bags while trying to talk on their cellphone would simply be trampled!
08-14-2014, 06:19 PM
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08-14-2014, 06:20 PM
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Our dear leader reminds us to stay humble...
Airline Profits Will Drive 2015 Pilot Contract Talks - Businessweek
Can anyone tell me why in the world this guy is the head of ALPA???
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“This is really a good story,” ALPA President Lee Moak said Tuesday during a visit to Bloomberg Businessweek in New York, part of a quick tour to assure Wall Street analysts that ALPA’s contract demands won’t prove onerous to airlines. “I almost can’t stand it, it’s so good.”
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Shareholders have started to realize returns in the form of dividends and stock buybacks. Thanks to the profits, pilots now see themselves as collaborators with management—they increasingly lobby alongside airline executives in Washington. That, says Moak, deepens the working relationships. “All of a sudden, you find yourself on the same side of 95 percent of the issues,” he says.
Can anyone tell me why in the world this guy is the head of ALPA???
...
“This is really a good story,” ALPA President Lee Moak said Tuesday during a visit to Bloomberg Businessweek in New York, part of a quick tour to assure Wall Street analysts that ALPA’s contract demands won’t prove onerous to airlines. “I almost can’t stand it, it’s so good.”
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Shareholders have started to realize returns in the form of dividends and stock buybacks. Thanks to the profits, pilots now see themselves as collaborators with management—they increasingly lobby alongside airline executives in Washington. That, says Moak, deepens the working relationships. “All of a sudden, you find yourself on the same side of 95 percent of the issues,” he says.
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