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Old 08-13-2014, 05:33 PM
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Agreed. This is for pilots who live in base as much as commuters. I have been stuck away from base without a hotel room due to my flight out cancelling. This happens to ATL based crews flying through NYC frequently as well as NYC crews flying through ATL. It is frustrating and embarrassing. I have worked for three different airlines and this is the only one where I have ever found myself at a layover with no hotel assigned and no way to get a hold of anyone without sitting on hold for an hour. The irony in this is that this is by far the best company I have ever worked for. That tells me that these situations should not happen. Our system needs fixed. The company that runs crew accommodations needs to be replaced, and these jobs need to be brought in house.

It's too bad they don't just contract with a hotel area 30-45 minutes away from the airport and use the employee parking lot buses to move crews there. I've seen those buses be used to pick employees up coming off a 738 at the FBO on the north side of the airport.
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Old 08-13-2014, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Carl,

As I stated, a start is to include the Delta MEC in "recognition" so that Delta is bound to negotiate "Delta flying" with the pilots of "Delta Air Lines."
What are we going to give up to get that?

I doubt "nothing" would fly further than an MD-88... [help me out here Bar]
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Old 08-13-2014, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
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As I stated, a start is to include the Delta MEC in "recognition" so that Delta is bound to negotiate "Delta flying" with the pilots of "Delta Air Lines."
I agree. But I'm afraid ALPA will not allow that. It would give DALPA too much control over their own Section 1. How do we get around that?

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Old 08-13-2014, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I agree. But I'm afraid ALPA will not allow that. It would give DALPA too much control over their own Section 1. How do we get around that?

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So if Bar ran the MEC and fought this worthy battle he'd be up against the company and ALPA National?

This is a trick jedi mind trick question right?

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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Well, for starters, the Delta MEC could take over the Endeavor MEC.
Don't think that's legal without Delta and Endeavor operating under a joint pilot working agreement.

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Old 08-13-2014, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I agree. But I'm afraid ALPA will not allow that. It would give DALPA too much control over their own Section 1. How do we get around that?

Carl
Kindly consider this a response to FTB's point as well.

Just Council 44 is larger than FedEx. We have a highly functional political machine and there is a reason other airlines borrow from the ranks of Delta subject matter experts. We run ALPA; to the extent we want to.

However, those who perceive gain from selling other Delta pilots' jobs are given the convenient out of pointing at ALPA National, when in reality ALPA National's role was a ministrative authorization of our bargaining. No regional airline has even crammed one down on the Delta MEC, ever.

As much as a change in recognition would bind our management, it would bind our MEC into greater transparency. Our politicians would have to take greater ownership of scope positions and negotiations.
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
So if Bar ran the MEC and fought this worthy battle he'd be up against the company and ALPA National?




Originally Posted by forgot to bid
This is a trick jedi mind trick question right?
Not at all. You just can't get there from here.

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Old 08-13-2014, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Don't think that's legal without Delta and Endeavor operating under a joint pilot working agreement.

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We did not have a joint PWA with Compass. Neither did Continental and Express, or Ransome and Pan Am.

I am not sure what the advantage to a single MEC might be, but some might say it clouds the issue of "class and craft" should an express carrier seek a merger with a mainline carrier via a petition for Single Transportation System finding.
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Old 08-13-2014, 05:58 PM
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Carl,

You know better than that. The issue is here, among the Delta pilots and their Representatives. National's not going to refuse to sign a Delta contract. They work for us.

I am optimistic that we are going to improve recognition language through the efforts of our MEC. These men are always working to improve the pay and working conditions of Delta pilots. I have been vocal about the opportunities that I've seen, sure, but I don't know of any other MEC that does it better than we do.
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Old 08-13-2014, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Carl,

You know better than that. The issue is here, among the Delta pilots and their Representatives. National's not going to refuse to sign a Delta contract. They work for us.
Not in Carl's world
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