Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-23-2014, 07:56 PM
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Richard would not and could not have made that statement unless our union has already been purchased as a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta. You could never make this kind of definitive statement about what WILL happen with regard to another entity unless you CONTROL the actions of that entity.
Carl
Carl
Or it could be the man is an attorney from a Gulf state. You know like the town famous for Braniff, Enron, the Bush family and Ron White. Give a guy from that corner of Texas a microphone and everything's great until you notice ... hey, where'd my money go?
07-23-2014, 07:59 PM
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Man you're not kidding. This is the part that's important:
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Richard Anderson - Chief Executive Officer
We have an incredible track record working with our colleagues at ALPA. And if you just look at the track record over the last 10 years, it’s been just phenomenal. And we expect it to continue to be that way. So if you look at what we’ve been doing in the business we’ve really taken the labor risk totally off the table at Delta. And our employees are fully engaged in they are delivering a great product. And that's one of the key de-risking events that we've undertaken at Delta that’s unique to the company. And we’re not -- it’s one of the most valuable things we have and that relationship is very important to us. And we will continue unabated on the track that we’ve been on for a decade.
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Richard would not and could not have made that statement unless our union has already been purchased as a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta. You could never make this kind of definitive statement about what WILL happen with regard to another entity unless you CONTROL the actions of that entity.
As I've said before, Delta is a non-union airline. But Richard is more than happy to indulge the delusion for those who think they belong to a union.
Carl
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Richard Anderson - Chief Executive Officer
We have an incredible track record working with our colleagues at ALPA. And if you just look at the track record over the last 10 years, it’s been just phenomenal. And we expect it to continue to be that way. So if you look at what we’ve been doing in the business we’ve really taken the labor risk totally off the table at Delta. And our employees are fully engaged in they are delivering a great product. And that's one of the key de-risking events that we've undertaken at Delta that’s unique to the company. And we’re not -- it’s one of the most valuable things we have and that relationship is very important to us. And we will continue unabated on the track that we’ve been on for a decade.
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Richard would not and could not have made that statement unless our union has already been purchased as a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta. You could never make this kind of definitive statement about what WILL happen with regard to another entity unless you CONTROL the actions of that entity.
As I've said before, Delta is a non-union airline. But Richard is more than happy to indulge the delusion for those who think they belong to a union.
Carl
07-23-2014, 08:23 PM
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tracking hours
Anyone have a good app or an online source to track/calculate the 100 hrs in 28 days? The 117 calculator from ALPA isn't quite cutting it. It's a nice app, but is a pain in the butt to use.
07-23-2014, 08:32 PM
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Wow, did Ed really say this: "We particularly with Air France scale I mean I’ll tell you our JV is predicated on a 50-50 sharing on capacity and there are some years that we maybe a little bit below or little bit above that benchmark but that’s a key governor on the capacity decision..."
Bring us to the same "little bit" above as our accrued "below."
And do it by March 31, 2016 on a three year loop-back.
Show that you will make it right and agree to a double penalty should you fall short.
or perhaps GS/IA flying for all pilots pays out at 4x until the JV balance remains above 50% for 36 consecutive months.
Cheers
George
07-23-2014, 09:07 PM
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And that's where we say, ok, instead of a financial penalty for not going "a little above" for the past four years show me.
Bring us to the same "little bit" above as our accrued "below."
And do it by March 31, 2016 on a three year loop-back.
Show that you will make it right and agree to a double penalty should you fall short.
or perhaps GS/IA flying for all pilots pays out at 4x until the JV balance remains above 50% for 36 consecutive months.
Cheers
George
Bring us to the same "little bit" above as our accrued "below."
And do it by March 31, 2016 on a three year loop-back.
Show that you will make it right and agree to a double penalty should you fall short.
or perhaps GS/IA flying for all pilots pays out at 4x until the JV balance remains above 50% for 36 consecutive months.
Cheers
George
07-23-2014, 09:08 PM
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There have been some EASK adjustments, but your numbers appear low based on the last known data points which were a deficit equal to 7 JFK-LHR daily round trips on a 767-400. Probably 8 jets worth of flying and we are currently staffed around 25 pilots per jet on the 765. Then you must consider the stove pipe effect of what 200 positions in such a senior category would have on the rest of the operation.
It isn't huge, but it is more than half of the movement we attribute to the 10 330's headed our way.
It isn't huge, but it is more than half of the movement we attribute to the 10 330's headed our way.
07-23-2014, 09:15 PM
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From the earnings call. Here comes a cost neutral raping of our profit sharing. I can hear it now, this is another big win for the pilots. It's not a concession.
This question was an inside set up. IMO.
As a follow-up to that and the hypothetically, if your primary competitors were able to reach the same level of operational integrity along the lines of what you were discussing earlier but without as [generous] profit sharing mechanism, would you ever revisit that structure?
Richard Anderson - Chief Executive Officer
We’re not going to get into, Jamie, the details of how those conversations go. Those are internal conversations. I would only note that the last time around with our pilots, Ed, what we…
Ed Bastian - President
We did restructure the profit sharing arrangement two years ago. And I think as we look forward to that, we’ve got a number of things that we can work with to help fund some of the heightened expectations but we’re not, as Richard said, we’re not going to share those details on the call.
This question was an inside set up. IMO.
As a follow-up to that and the hypothetically, if your primary competitors were able to reach the same level of operational integrity along the lines of what you were discussing earlier but without as [generous] profit sharing mechanism, would you ever revisit that structure?
Richard Anderson - Chief Executive Officer
We’re not going to get into, Jamie, the details of how those conversations go. Those are internal conversations. I would only note that the last time around with our pilots, Ed, what we…
Ed Bastian - President
We did restructure the profit sharing arrangement two years ago. And I think as we look forward to that, we’ve got a number of things that we can work with to help fund some of the heightened expectations but we’re not, as Richard said, we’re not going to share those details on the call.
07-23-2014, 09:55 PM
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Just noticed one tonight in Icrew > qualifications > block hours. Seems to be pretty accurate for block hours and FDT limits. Only thing missing is the lookback for a 30 hour break
07-24-2014, 03:38 AM
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And that's where we say, ok, instead of a financial penalty for not going "a little above" for the past four years show me.
Bring us to the same "little bit" above as our accrued "below."
And do it by March 31, 2016 on a three year loop-back.
Show that you will make it right and agree to a double penalty should you fall short.
or perhaps GS/IA flying for all pilots pays out at 4x until the JV balance remains above 50% for 36 consecutive months.
Cheers
George
Bring us to the same "little bit" above as our accrued "below."
And do it by March 31, 2016 on a three year loop-back.
Show that you will make it right and agree to a double penalty should you fall short.
or perhaps GS/IA flying for all pilots pays out at 4x until the JV balance remains above 50% for 36 consecutive months.
Cheers
George
This is top end job stuff, just like virgin. 717s are bottom half jobs. You want movement/progression, you gotta watch the top end stuff.
I like the 4x green slips, but that still monetizes it and affects mostly senior guys. We have to get some sort of penalty provision that structures in concrete protections. If 4x green slips/IAs were during the whole noncompliance period across the board though, I think that would be a deterrent.
07-24-2014, 04:04 AM
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Richard Anderson - Chief Executive Officer
We have an incredible track record working with our colleagues at ALPA. And if you just look at the track record over the last 10 years, it’s been just phenomenal. And we expect it to continue to be that way. So if you look at what we’ve been doing in the business we’ve really taken the labor risk totally off the table at Delta.
We have an incredible track record working with our colleagues at ALPA. And if you just look at the track record over the last 10 years, it’s been just phenomenal. And we expect it to continue to be that way. So if you look at what we’ve been doing in the business we’ve really taken the labor risk totally off the table at Delta.
I wonder how much better our contract would be if ALPA presented management with even a little bit of "risk".
It's one thing to have a cooperative relationship but to be so compliant that management says we are "totally off the table". That stings.
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