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07-23-2014, 06:48 AM
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Actually the damages would be pilot upgrades lost. They would figure out how many jobs it would have taken to make up the capacity change required. They would then figure out the net change in pilot pay to upgrade from say a 737 to a 767 to fill in the gaps. We don't get the revenues from the flights, we just get the costs for the upgrade jobs lost.
I get what your saying but why do we only do it that way? What about the FO's that could've stayed in their widebody seats at a higher pay rate? All those seats and more flying across the board equates to higher paychecks for all delta pilots. All of the money generated by the company for violating our scope should be available to us. They violated the contract.
07-23-2014, 06:57 AM
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If the only remedy/penalty is a financial one lets make them pay dearly. Since our ALPA money folks are so sharp let them calculate the fine. Count every flight that the Big D made that was out of compliance. Someone somewhere surely knows the revenue generated by each flight. Flights X revenue = Big money fine.
07-23-2014, 07:16 AM
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Any downward amendment to profitsharing is off the table.... or should be.IMO management's top priority will be to reduce our profit sharing.
Your oligopoly point is spot on. This is not the air line industry we grew up with. Our debt is decreasing and our profits are increasing.
Keep your hands on your wallets!
07-23-2014, 07:20 AM
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I get what your saying but why do we only do it that way? What about the FO's that could've stayed in their widebody seats at a higher pay rate? All those seats and more flying across the board equates to higher paychecks for all delta pilots. All of the money generated by the company for violating our scope should be available to us. They violated the contract.
An upgrade from 737 to 767 averages about $7,000 per year. So for 100 crews (1 CA and 2FO) it would be about $2.1 million per year. I have no idea if 100 is the right number but I just used a round number for comparison purposes. So if you used three years you get $6 million which would be about $600 per pilot if you did an equal distribution. (this is just for example, read nothing more into it).
In short, the company is clearly in violation and it looks doubtful they will make good in the cure period. Just don't expect it to start raining money when the arbitrator rules.
07-23-2014, 07:40 AM
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RA on CNBC this morning. No more Delta flights over Iran, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine or Afghanistan (or NK.)
Delta waiting on return of Tel Aviv flights: CEO
Delta waiting on return of Tel Aviv flights: CEO
07-23-2014, 07:43 AM
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07-23-2014, 07:43 AM
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When I said upgrades, I didn't mean upgrades to Captain, I meant upgrades in seats which would include FO's, I am sorry for the imprecise language. You will never win some argument in front of an arbitrator about getting the revenue from the flights. In fact, the company might argue that the reason they didn't fly those flights is because they would have lost money. Each side could put up graphs and charts and in the end, the arbitrators would concentrate on the jobs (both seats or all three seats if you include relief) and what the incremental income that pilots could have gotten from it. The super difficult part will be deciding which pilots get the money and I don't even want to attempt to say anything about that.
An upgrade from 737 to 767 averages about $7,000 per year. So for 100 crews (1 CA and 2FO) it would be about $2.1 million per year. I have no idea if 100 is the right number but I just used a round number for comparison purposes. So if you used three years you get $6 million which would be about $600 per pilot if you did an equal distribution. (this is just for example, read nothing more into it).
In short, the company is clearly in violation and it looks doubtful they will make good in the cure period. Just don't expect it to start raining money when the arbitrator rules.
An upgrade from 737 to 767 averages about $7,000 per year. So for 100 crews (1 CA and 2FO) it would be about $2.1 million per year. I have no idea if 100 is the right number but I just used a round number for comparison purposes. So if you used three years you get $6 million which would be about $600 per pilot if you did an equal distribution. (this is just for example, read nothing more into it).
In short, the company is clearly in violation and it looks doubtful they will make good in the cure period. Just don't expect it to start raining money when the arbitrator rules.
If you look at the shortfall over the entire time period it's about 2.5 flights a day. A average flight to Europe takes about 1500 block hours a month. Call it around 4000 block hours total. 100 jobs sounds about right.
07-23-2014, 07:57 AM
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RA on CNBC this morning. No more Delta flights over Iran, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine or Afghanistan (or NK.)
Delta waiting on return of Tel Aviv flights: CEO
Delta waiting on return of Tel Aviv flights: CEO
07-23-2014, 08:07 AM
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The Iranians were far more friendly then the Saudis we will have to deal with now.
07-23-2014, 08:37 AM
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Read those council 20 notes again and try to respond to them.
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