Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-21-2014, 09:35 AM
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Again, I don't disagree with what you are saying but you really did not answer my question which, paraphrased, was "What penalty, other than money, do we get from the company for contract violations and how do we keep them from violating the contract anytime they want to in the future?" Oops, I guess that's 2 questions. That's fine. I don't know that there is an answer to it.
Denny
Denny
It's like an un-stabilized approach, typically it starts pretty far away from the airport and snowballs from there, early recognition is how to avoid it in the first place.
For the TAJV there's a case of "not looking bad" that has muted the early indicators of the problem.
If we have "constructive engagement" then it goes both ways and Delta is interested in making it right - if we speak up.
I'm certain there have been discussions with the company wrt underlying our share of the TAJV flying, but all of that has been kept relatively quiet when it comes to the general Delta pilot population.
Compare the communications about our existing agreement of share of flying on Transatlantic routes (PWA Section 1.P.) with the communication about potential threats to our flying on transatlantic routes (NAI) and you'll see what I mean.
Only once we have a robust way of objectively talking about where we stand can we even consider the remedies. We aren't there yet and it will take all of us pulling on the same rope to get there.
Cheers
George
07-21-2014, 09:37 AM
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07-21-2014, 09:40 AM
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07-21-2014, 09:47 AM
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So if they tried that, we'd be buying the back at a higher price than we could get them for because their sale prices were based on the fake government backed financing that threw the false money into the sector in the first place.
It would be like asking someone to get into a preconstruction Vegas condo in 2006 with a liar/ninja loan and you buying it from them when you could have got it anyway. You gain nothing but in the process of participating you've driven up your own costs in the long run.
07-21-2014, 09:49 AM
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Alan,
You are generally one of the most level headed and objective posters on here. It amazes me how some guys get so aggressive and critical of fellow DAL Pilots - we are all on the same team, we all want the same thing.
I have been attacked on here every so often - usually when another Pilot
misinterprets my meaning - I guess it goes with the territory.
Keep up the excellent and informative posts.
Scoop
You are generally one of the most level headed and objective posters on here. It amazes me how some guys get so aggressive and critical of fellow DAL Pilots - we are all on the same team, we all want the same thing.
I have been attacked on here every so often - usually when another Pilot
misinterprets my meaning - I guess it goes with the territory.
Keep up the excellent and informative posts.
Scoop
07-21-2014, 09:53 AM
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If you guys would spend just half the time you take to come up with insults, by instead looking for pics of hot chicks, or coming up with great stories, or making up fantastic rumors, you would distract more people. Ie. you would have a larger audience.
As it stands now, I spend the majority of my time on here reading the first one or two sentences of a post, moving on, because its the same bs, only to find that the whole page is full of "union this vs. union that" crap.
Request:
Less union debate.
More hot chicks, funny stories, and wide body rumors (Boeing), please.
As it stands now, I spend the majority of my time on here reading the first one or two sentences of a post, moving on, because its the same bs, only to find that the whole page is full of "union this vs. union that" crap.
Request:
Less union debate.
More hot chicks, funny stories, and wide body rumors (Boeing), please.
Here's a new rumor: Any new heavy order will come with all new flight attendants:
07-21-2014, 09:54 AM
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If you want the iron clad all encompassing scope clause, you need to work for SWA or ALK. (But I believe SWA's is in serious jeopardy.. JMHO)
07-21-2014, 09:57 AM
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Again, I don't disagree with what you are saying but you really did not answer my question which, paraphrased, was "What penalty, other than money, do we get from the company for contract violations and how do we keep them from violating the contract anytime they want to in the future?" Oops, I guess that's 2 questions. That's fine. I don't know that there is an answer to it.
Denny
Denny
Originally Posted by Answer to Question #1
Denny,
ALPA has always had contract language to deal with staffing. An easy fix to the AF/KLM deficit was language which required Delta staff for our share of flying without regard for whether it was actually scheduled & flown.
ALPA has always had contract language to deal with staffing. An easy fix to the AF/KLM deficit was language which required Delta staff for our share of flying without regard for whether it was actually scheduled & flown.
Originally Posted by Answer for #2
I'd think the first step would be for we line guys to seriously consider what we state in our survey responses.
Delta is quite a ways away from being able to be "Delta" without Delta pilots, but it would appear we are bracketed on the top and bottom ends of our flying.
07-21-2014, 09:58 AM
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Yeah but the corrupt and economically failed process that makes any of that possible in the first place only serves to drive up the prices everyone pays while artificially increasing irrational competition in the long run. BA and AB claim they each "have to" do it only because the other does it. Meanwhile its creating a massive bubble that will come to a head as the dellusional fake royal emerati and company begin to flood our skies with unbeliebeavle amounts of false market competition in the form of government backed capacity.
07-21-2014, 09:59 AM
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ACL, you know darn well Delta is not in compliance with PWA 1.P.4:
We are now in the "cure" period and Delta has until March 31, 2015 to come into compliance as mentioned in 1.P.6:
We are now in the "cure" period and Delta has until March 31, 2015 to come into compliance as mentioned in 1.P.6:
- Per the PWA were supposed to have 50% share of the flying
- The PWA gave the company 1.5% "wiggle room" on a 3-year average
- On March 31, 2014 we ended the first 3-year look-back.
- Delta fell short of even the 48.5% lower band and clocked in at 46.8% (OAG data says 47%).
- We are actually below our historic share of flying before adding Alitalia to the TAJV, when 52% went to 47.5%*.
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