Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-21-2014, 09:05 AM
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If you guys would spend just half the time you take to come up with insults, by instead looking for pics of hot chicks, or coming up with great stories, or making up fantastic rumors, you would distract more people. Ie. you would have a larger audience.
As it stands now, I spend the majority of my time on here reading the first one or two sentences of a post, moving on, because its the same bs, only to find that the whole page is full of "union this vs. union that" crap.
Request:
Less union debate.
More hot chicks, funny stories, and wide body rumors (Boeing), please.
As it stands now, I spend the majority of my time on here reading the first one or two sentences of a post, moving on, because its the same bs, only to find that the whole page is full of "union this vs. union that" crap.
Request:
Less union debate.
More hot chicks, funny stories, and wide body rumors (Boeing), please.
Denny
07-21-2014, 09:06 AM
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If you guys would spend just half the time you take to come up with insults, by instead looking for pics of hot chicks, or coming up with great stories, or making up fantastic rumors, you would distract more people. Ie. you would have a larger audience.
As it stands now, I spend the majority of my time on here reading the first one or two sentences of a post, moving on, because its the same bs, only to find that the whole page is full of "union this vs. union that" crap.
Request:
Less union debate.
More hot chicks, funny stories, and wide body rumors (Boeing), please.
As it stands now, I spend the majority of my time on here reading the first one or two sentences of a post, moving on, because its the same bs, only to find that the whole page is full of "union this vs. union that" crap.
Request:
Less union debate.
More hot chicks, funny stories, and wide body rumors (Boeing), please.
I think I agree with T here, it's just an unfortunate reality of our medium. Keyboard warriors will be the death of me because they don't have to worry about getting their noses broken......which I would argue allows a civil society
Denny is are probably the biggest guys on the forum.....and Denny maybe the worlds most laid back guy because in the real world people don't mess with him. Here, not so much
Ferd
PS I agree with what ya say about the personal attacks.....I just scroll on to the next post, life's too short.......MORE UNDERBOOB!
Last edited by Ferd149; 07-21-2014 at 09:14 AM. Reason: Personal attacks more accurate than arguing.
07-21-2014, 09:08 AM
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07-21-2014, 09:13 AM
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union criticism has been an integral part of this thread for a long time.
Alpa guys coming around to defend the union is also traditional.
I think the debate has been tremendously useful and informative over the years.
The recent exchanges however, have been something different.
A lot of people have enjoyed this thread for a long time. You guys are endangering that.
Please stop.
Alpa guys coming around to defend the union is also traditional.
I think the debate has been tremendously useful and informative over the years.
The recent exchanges however, have been something different.
A lot of people have enjoyed this thread for a long time. You guys are endangering that.
Please stop.
+1^^^^^this!
07-21-2014, 09:14 AM
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Denny,
ALPA has always had contract language to deal with staffing. An easy fix to the AF/KLM deficit was language which required Delta staff for our share of flying without regard for whether it was actually scheduled & flown.
As is, it turns out to have just been convenient that there was a deficit in our production balance.
I'd state that a lot of things can be "convenient" when you run your own business and have numerous alter ego's to move assets around to:
FWIW, ALPA's been delivering what it's pilots want. Surveys say PAY ME, with distant consideration given to the scope that glues the Company to the agreement.
I'd think the first step would be for we line guys to seriously consider what we state in our survey responses.
ALPA has always had contract language to deal with staffing. An easy fix to the AF/KLM deficit was language which required Delta staff for our share of flying without regard for whether it was actually scheduled & flown.
As is, it turns out to have just been convenient that there was a deficit in our production balance.
I'd state that a lot of things can be "convenient" when you run your own business and have numerous alter ego's to move assets around to:
- Delta needed large RJ's to renegotiate CPA with Skywest. How convenient, Comair just folded.
- Air France ordered aircraft that it network could not support, Delta's in for half, how convenient, we have a three year window on compliance.
- Endeavor's in bankruptcy and their pilots are scared to death, how convenient we just got permission for more new large RJ's
- Continental Air Lines needs a computerized reservation system ... how convenient, Eastern needs to sell the World's best.
- Delta can't fill MD88's and 727's after 9/11; how convenient, we already have 500+ RJ's on order and with these minor scope changes we can put them into service next week, they're already here, how convenient.
FWIW, ALPA's been delivering what it's pilots want. Surveys say PAY ME, with distant consideration given to the scope that glues the Company to the agreement.
I'd think the first step would be for we line guys to seriously consider what we state in our survey responses.
Denny
07-21-2014, 09:21 AM
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NewK,
I think I agree with T here, it's just an unfortunate reality of our medium. Keyboard warriors will be the death of me because they don't have to worry about getting their noses broken......which I would argue allows a civil society
Denny is are probably the biggest guys on the forum.....and Denny maybe the worlds most laid back guy because in the real world people don't mess with him. Here, not so much
Ferd
PS I agree with what ya say about the personal attacks.....I just scroll on to the next post, life's too short.......MORE UNDERBOOB!
I think I agree with T here, it's just an unfortunate reality of our medium. Keyboard warriors will be the death of me because they don't have to worry about getting their noses broken......which I would argue allows a civil society
Denny is are probably the biggest guys on the forum.....and Denny maybe the worlds most laid back guy because in the real world people don't mess with him. Here, not so much
Ferd
PS I agree with what ya say about the personal attacks.....I just scroll on to the next post, life's too short.......MORE UNDERBOOB!
Denny
07-21-2014, 09:24 AM
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ACL, you know darn well Delta is not in compliance with PWA 1.P.4:
We are now in the "cure" period and Delta has until March 31, 2015 to come into compliance as mentioned in 1.P.6:
Using the language of the PWA referenced above we are not in compliance with the terms spelled out in PWA 1.P.4.
Anybody representing D-ALPA saying otherwise is doing the Delta pilots a great disservice.
Please understand, I'm not trying to show you wrong.
What I believe is important, is to use proper terminology and be factually accurate, even if it makes our current position look bad.
If we truly wish to succeed in C2015, we will need to put on our big boy pants and stop attacking each other and call a spade a spade.
If something was good, lets call it good.
If something isn't so good we better make sure to call it that, even if it pains us to admit it.
When it comes to C2012 lets focus on what was good and what wasn't so we can achieve superior results next time. Looking back and calling C2012 all bad or all good doesn't serve any of us. looking back and saying "we can improve that" is our best way forward.
We have a great group of guys here. This petty back and forth is pathetic. I believe without a doubt ALPA will be our bargaining agent in C2015 so we better get our act together. It will take all sides to put aside our differences and come to consensus, that's the source of unity and our key to success in C2015.
Cheers
George
*Based on our target of 52% as spelled out in the PWA, 47.2% if you choose to use the actual share of Delta flying of 51.7% at the time of the induction of Alitalia in the TAJV.
"In the case of the rolling three-year measurement periods ending March 31, 2014, and thereafter, the Company shall be required to maintain no less than 48.50%"
If the Company is not in compliance with...Section 1 P. 4. for any measurement period, the Company will cure any such breach...
Example: If the Company’s EASK capacity share is out of compliance with its minimum EASK allocation for the three-year measurement period ending March 31, 2014, then the Company will return its EASK capacity share to compliance with its minimum EASK allocation for the three year measurement period ending March 31, 2015.
Example: If the Company’s EASK capacity share is out of compliance with its minimum EASK allocation for the three-year measurement period ending March 31, 2014, then the Company will return its EASK capacity share to compliance with its minimum EASK allocation for the three year measurement period ending March 31, 2015.
- Per the PWA were supposed to have 50% share of the flying
- The PWA gave the company 1.5% "wiggle room" on a 3-year average
- On March 31, 2014 we ended the first 3-year look-back.
- Delta fell short of even the 48.5% lower band and clocked in at 46.8% (OAG data says 47%).
- We are actually below our historic share of flying before adding Alitalia to the TAJV, when 52% went to 47.5%*.
Using the language of the PWA referenced above we are not in compliance with the terms spelled out in PWA 1.P.4.
Anybody representing D-ALPA saying otherwise is doing the Delta pilots a great disservice.
Please understand, I'm not trying to show you wrong.
What I believe is important, is to use proper terminology and be factually accurate, even if it makes our current position look bad.
If we truly wish to succeed in C2015, we will need to put on our big boy pants and stop attacking each other and call a spade a spade.
If something was good, lets call it good.
If something isn't so good we better make sure to call it that, even if it pains us to admit it.
When it comes to C2012 lets focus on what was good and what wasn't so we can achieve superior results next time. Looking back and calling C2012 all bad or all good doesn't serve any of us. looking back and saying "we can improve that" is our best way forward.
We have a great group of guys here. This petty back and forth is pathetic. I believe without a doubt ALPA will be our bargaining agent in C2015 so we better get our act together. It will take all sides to put aside our differences and come to consensus, that's the source of unity and our key to success in C2015.
Cheers
George
*Based on our target of 52% as spelled out in the PWA, 47.2% if you choose to use the actual share of Delta flying of 51.7% at the time of the induction of Alitalia in the TAJV.
07-21-2014, 09:27 AM
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Actually accomodations can take forever to reach. They usually have one or two people staffing them, so one pilot gets through in 2 seconds while someone that calls right after can wait a while. You could also try the transportation company direct. Some are very flexible and even if they're not, there's often an earlier van already scheduled for another crew you can usually ride on. Improvise, adapt, overcome.
07-21-2014, 09:30 AM
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If you guys would spend just half the time you take to come up with insults, by instead looking for pics of hot chicks, or coming up with great stories, or making up fantastic rumors, you would distract more people. Ie. you would have a larger audience.
As it stands now, I spend the majority of my time on here reading the first one or two sentences of a post, moving on, because its the same bs, only to find that the whole page is full of "union this vs. union that" crap.
Request:
Less union debate.
More hot chicks, funny stories, and wide body rumors (Boeing), please.
As it stands now, I spend the majority of my time on here reading the first one or two sentences of a post, moving on, because its the same bs, only to find that the whole page is full of "union this vs. union that" crap.
Request:
Less union debate.
More hot chicks, funny stories, and wide body rumors (Boeing), please.
Then reality will hit.
07-21-2014, 09:32 AM
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