Got it. You're good with performance ("success") that yields a 34% cut in buying power 7 years after the "crisis" is over and during times of unprecedented profits and outlook for our company... and with no apparent intent to do a whole lot better than that going forward. "Vive le difference" indeed!

DAL,

To be fair C-2012 pre-dates record profits so this contract is the one that will determine if our compensation has been permanently reset or not.

On the other hand, you can argue that management saw the record profits coming and used that information to their advantage in C-2012. You would probably win that argument.

Scoop

07-19-2014, 04:55 PM

#163302

newKnow

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Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzpat

In vino veritas!

Credat Judaeus apella, non ego.

07-19-2014, 05:55 PM

#163303

sinca3

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gearjerk

Fred,

Sincerely, thank you for your post.

Sincerely,
Kyle

Thanks FERD...
And to Buzz and NK: Eventus stultorum magister

07-19-2014, 06:05 PM

#163304

sinca3

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Walked right by NewK's in Birmingham, AL:
newk.jpg

07-19-2014, 06:10 PM

#163305

newKnow

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sinca3

Thanks FERD...
And to Buzz and NK: Eventus stultorum magister

In pace requiescat.

07-19-2014, 06:12 PM

#163306

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

We've been through this before Ferd. I get it from all sides by the entire Special Committee and the MEC admins who post here on flight pay loss. I'm one guy. I ignore the vast majority of shots taken at me and only reply to the really bad actors here. Sorry if that's too much for you, but I have no intention of letting pure propaganda go unchallenged.

Carl

allrighty then

07-19-2014, 06:13 PM

#163307

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sinca3

Walked right by NewK's in Birmingham, AL:
Attachment 1473

They've got good soup.

07-19-2014, 06:18 PM

#163308

Ferd149

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Thanks everyone for the kind words.

It was a little early in the morning (my time) for such frustration, but at least there was no alcohol involved

Ferd

07-19-2014, 06:28 PM

#163309

MD88Driver

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Max pay while in initial--help!

Thanks Ferd.

FTB, you are a riot.

T, hope your Mom is okay.

Does anyone have gouge on max pay while in initial training? I'm finally transitioning off the Mighty 88 (senior due) and headed to the 7ER (45%ish). I've read the contract and ALPA shadow bid stuff but wonder how I can use the system to get paid the most while sitting on VA Ave.

Thanks for any help. Training starts in Sept.

07-19-2014, 06:35 PM

#163310

DAL 88 Driver

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Shore

You just can't stop, can you? I'm trying to end our constant bickering by simply saying that we have different points of view. Can't we just leave it at that? I thought you said you were done arguing with me.

I'm just asking you to be intellectually honest. You posted about how your pay isn't even back to 2004 levels, unadjusted for inflation. Yet you support all things DALPA, which by extension means you support making every excuse in the book for why we can't/shouldn't expect restoration.

You can't have it both ways. Either advocate for restoration (which means you are going to have to advocate that DALPA begin pursing that sort of objective) or don't complain about how far our pay is below 2004 levels.

I am fully aware that you and I have vastly different points of view. I just saw a glimmer of hope in that one comment you posted earlier. I guess I was mistaken. Disregard. Probably is better to just leave it at that.