Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-19-2014, 07:49 AM
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07-19-2014, 07:52 AM
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07-19-2014, 07:57 AM
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What it looked like to me was that she was doing the standard talking head thing- just a bunch of words somewhat pre-programmed and not really listening. No matter the combination of letters, all the news agencies just go hog wild in this stuff and the talking heads show their true mindless colors.
Guess this illustrates my respect of the drive by 24-hour news agencies.
Guess this illustrates my respect of the drive by 24-hour news agencies.
07-19-2014, 08:00 AM
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Well, you've been flying the line for the last two years anyway. Before that, not so much.
This half truth comes up from time to time. In the past, the reason this was true is because the exact same names just shifted to different committee chairs. As is so often the case with you, while your statement might be technically correct, it's very misleading and specifically designed to mislead. Now the reason this is true for the last two years is because of the breach of trust displayed by committee members during C2012. You all got fired. Again, very misleading for you to infer that there is healthy turnover within the DALPA top-down power structure.
Half truths, deep distortions and purposely misleading statements don't help your credibility either. Do you not think I will check?
Carl
This half truth comes up from time to time. In the past, the reason this was true is because the exact same names just shifted to different committee chairs. As is so often the case with you, while your statement might be technically correct, it's very misleading and specifically designed to mislead. Now the reason this is true for the last two years is because of the breach of trust displayed by committee members during C2012. You all got fired. Again, very misleading for you to infer that there is healthy turnover within the DALPA top-down power structure.
Half truths, deep distortions and purposely misleading statements don't help your credibility either. Do you not think I will check?
Carl
07-19-2014, 08:13 AM
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Now we see the spectacle of sailingfun posting completely wrong information about United and a union leader like shiznit backing it up. Then The Manager posts the actual truth about United's pay. The sad truth is that when the contract comparisons come out, it will have to be strongly vetted under the assumption that DALPA will again slant the comparison to make us look better than we are...so our expectations will stay nice and low.
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07-19-2014, 08:25 AM
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In fact, your unwillingness to do anything other than lob nonsense from a keyboard versus actually step up and do some work is quite an "unmasking of your benefit" to the pilot group.
For example: fly4hire may have a different perspective than alfa, but he actually put his time and energy into helping his fellow pilots' lives also. I respect that effort, its a thankless and time consuming job.
Actions speak much louder than words, so PD I guess that makes you well, a nothing. Enjoy the ignore list.
For example: fly4hire may have a different perspective than alfa, but he actually put his time and energy into helping his fellow pilots' lives also. I respect that effort, its a thankless and time consuming job.
Actions speak much louder than words, so PD I guess that makes you well, a nothing. Enjoy the ignore list.
Carl
07-19-2014, 08:34 AM
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While what I have highlighted might be true... you are painting only a small part of the picture. Before you go and anoint the APA as having done something, why don't you do a few TVM calculations as to how much career earnings they LOST their membership over the last 10 years. Money that they will not make up if they top our numbers by probably $100/hour. If you want honesty, you need to exhibit some too in this regard. And their contract is mostly a "me too" type of contract with some minor improvements. Had it not been for ours, they wouldn't have gotten anything neqr what they got.
Wow T.
Track here if you can.
Note: this is not about the APA. It's not about DPA. It's not about ALPA.
This is about pattern bargaining . You might think it is "a small part of the picture or some minor improvements," as you say, but it is the new bar.
If we don't exceed that bar, we don't do our part to lift the profession.
Then tell us all how TVM works if we are locked into rates that are $40 an hour less on the a330 and 76-4. That is going to be significant shortly when the RFP is announced and it's loaded with NEOs.
07-19-2014, 08:41 AM
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Because every good conspiracy needs a boogyman to complete the story. Any time you hear "entrenched bureaucrats" or "unelected volunteer" you are hearing someone develop the boogyman to accompany their conspiracy theory that translates into human talk as "I lost an election and now I am looking for blame."
Speaking of motives, these people cannot come up with a logical reason why I and others would try to sabotage the contract. I get the same pay rates as every other Delta pilot, work under the same rules as every other Delta pilot, I am not independently wealthy, and I work this job to support my family just like everyone else here. Why on Earth would I not want to make our contract the best possible? What is the motivation here?
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07-19-2014, 08:53 AM
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Now, what are profits? The difference between revenue and expenses. When will you realize that a union's job is to maximize our take of the expense side of the ledger?
Like it or hate it, that is the very definition of a for-profit entity. The company "returning" profits to the shareholders via dividend or stock buyback is just a way of allocating what is already theirs via a different vehicle (versus paying down debt, investing in infrastructure, investing in employees, etc).
I don't begrudge them that because unlike prior regimes they have actually made this company a better, more profitable place. How much of a percentage pay increase did Bill Gates get between founding Microsoft and retiring? Does that mean that every Microsoft employee gets a $10 million dollar salary in order to match his percent increase in pay? (In fact, unbelievably, Microsoft just announced 18,000 layoffs. This from a hugely profitable company).
In fact our work rules now are far better than they were in C2K. (Unless that is you liked the era where reserves could fly a 2-day trip that paid as little as 4 hours for a trip that paid a regular pilot 10.30, and you liked it that the company and not the pilot, scheduled your CQ sims, and where every vacation started on Sunday, because by golly that's how we always did it. I could go on but you get the idea).
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07-19-2014, 08:59 AM
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And that would be fine with me, but only IF...
We got paid like management; in addition to our base pay, we too got stock options, performance bonuses (at more than $25!) a fully funded retirement plan...oh, and a zero cost, zero deductible medical plan, for life, oh, and PS passes...for life.
I just hope Ed is -finally- able to sleep at night. Why is that tool still working here?
For the NW guys, he's the only DL South mgt douche to keep his job, after testifying to the BK judge that he couldn't sleep at night, worrying that Delta wouldn't survive unless he ass-raped us.
We got paid like management; in addition to our base pay, we too got stock options, performance bonuses (at more than $25!) a fully funded retirement plan...oh, and a zero cost, zero deductible medical plan, for life, oh, and PS passes...for life.
I just hope Ed is -finally- able to sleep at night. Why is that tool still working here?
For the NW guys, he's the only DL South mgt douche to keep his job, after testifying to the BK judge that he couldn't sleep at night, worrying that Delta wouldn't survive unless he ass-raped us.
Bless his heart.
Carl
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