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07-18-2014, 12:13 PM
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My question is this. How do we get rid of the long term bureaucrats? (Btw we had a lot of powerful behind the scenes guys at Nwalpa too) Each LEC has a election every (3?) years, so there is a way for the line pilot to affect turnover. How do we, the line pilots help in the cleansing/turnover of the committee positions?
It may be time for alpha, buzz and the gang to take a break and go fly. Whether any of us agree with their positions, we all should thank them for their time and wish them good luck.
It may be time for alpha, buzz and the gang to take a break and go fly. Whether any of us agree with their positions, we all should thank them for their time and wish them good luck.
Penguins! Birds with wings for no apparent reason. See, they are even sitting on their 92 hour FPL, plus allowance, on of course the highest equipment they can hold, nest eggs!
They're soooo cute.
In all seriousness now as I jest above, we have long time lifers in our union for two reasons.
Money. We are all motivated by it. Face it. They have just been collecting a disproportionate chunk over the many years.
Power. And with that ego. Some are desperately trying to measure up to the successes that others they are close to in life have achieved. They will cling to power in every attempt to try and attain that.
Kick one or two legs out from the stool and the paradigm is crushed.
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07-18-2014, 12:16 PM
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07-18-2014, 12:26 PM
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07-18-2014, 12:32 PM
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That's somewhat unfair. Reality is they have stepped up out of selfless/ selfish reasons or both. Out of 12000 pilots, it is the same guys always involved and that says something about us too(Maybe we need to get off our asses and get involved some). Just some shifting of committees or to rep status. They have taken the time to get involved and stay involved and know the system well and how to use it to get what "they" believe "we" should get. I think some have been doing the business so long that they have a disdain for the average pilot and how dare anyone question their judgement.
Alpha, Buzz, et al, and the unelected, long term bureaucratic hanger ons, are basicly this:
Penguins! Birds with wings for no apparent reason. See, they are even sitting on their 92 hour FPL, plus allowance, on of course the highest equipment they can hold, nest eggs!
They're soooo cute.
Penguins! Birds with wings for no apparent reason. See, they are even sitting on their 92 hour FPL, plus allowance, on of course the highest equipment they can hold, nest eggs!
They're soooo cute.
07-18-2014, 12:40 PM
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07-18-2014, 12:41 PM
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They will already surpass us in January 2015. By January 2017, they surpass our A330 A's by $40 per hour.
They are mired currently in negotiations. This is the true bell weather to watch.
Gary wants PBS. Delta got it in BK for essentially free. SWAPA pilots want a considerable pay raise for it. Gary says there is no $.
Pilots rightly are pointing to savings from PBS as well as revenue lost at the check-in counter vis a vis bag fees.
They are not budging on PBS without considerable pay increases as they will keep trips touching for now, thank you very much.
Fred Smith having same issue at FDX. Wants PBS. Doesn't want to pay up for it as DAL didn't. Then his service failures started happening and now he is changing his tune.
Is the captain rep feeding this bull crap, again? I'd think the FO rep has enough intelligence to not publicly state that, but then again...
Regardless, think about it. Put your RA hat on. He would never do such a thing for the reason given.
They will already surpass us in January 2015. By January 2017, they surpass our A330 A's by $40 per hour.
They are mired currently in negotiations. This is the true bell weather to watch.
Gary wants PBS. Delta got it in BK for essentially free. SWAPA pilots want a considerable pay raise for it. Gary says there is no $.
Pilots rightly are pointing to savings from PBS as well as revenue lost at the check-in counter vis a vis bag fees.
They are not budging on PBS without considerable pay increases as they will keep trips touching for now, thank you very much.
Fred Smith having same issue at FDX. Wants PBS. Doesn't want to pay up for it as DAL didn't. Then his service failures started happening and now he is changing his tune.
Is the captain rep feeding this bull crap, again? I'd think the FO rep has enough intelligence to not publicly state that, but then again...
Regardless, think about it. Put your RA hat on. He would never do such a thing for the reason given.
UCAL is United Continental holdings.
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07-18-2014, 12:46 PM
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07-18-2014, 12:46 PM
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How do we get rid of the long term bureaucrats? (Btw we had a lot of powerful behind the scenes guys at Nwalpa too) Each LEC has a election every (3?) years, so there is a way for the line pilot to affect turnover. How do we, the line pilots help in the cleansing/turnover of the committee positions?
As line pilots, we have two choices -- band together to elect enough reps throughout the system that a majority are in place to elect MEC officers who will appoint different people, or step up to volunteer ourselves and rise through the system as the "long-terms" have. No pilot starts working in ALPA with anything other than a desire to help his fellow pilot. Those with ability and desire to do more are readily identified as such by their fellow workers and wind up sticking around.
It is my understanding that ALPA does not exactly have pilots beating down the doors to help.
Indeed so. Thank you, gentlemen, for your service to the Delta pilots.
07-18-2014, 12:54 PM
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Alpha, Buzz, et al, and the unelected, long term bureaucratic hanger ons, are basicly this:
Penguins! Birds with wings for no apparent reason. See, they are even sitting on their 92 hour FPL, plus allowance, on of course the highest equipment they can hold, nest eggs!
Penguins! Birds with wings for no apparent reason. See, they are even sitting on their 92 hour FPL, plus allowance, on of course the highest equipment they can hold, nest eggs!
07-18-2014, 01:11 PM
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United also gets 16% into their retirement vs. our 15. We have work to do and we should ask for a lot. Negotiations usually start at the extremes and up somewhere in the middle, so if we ask for something that some people might consider reasonable, we'll end up with a subpar contract. Our company is paying billions to shareholders, and no one has a larger stake in what happens to this company than we do. Time to unite and get the best contract in the industry, period.
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