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Old 07-16-2014, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
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I think all those violence for the sake of violence movies show absolutely no creativity on the part of the director producer and actors. jmho

And pulp fiction sucked too.
Pulp was overrated (Jackie Brown was way better anyway, but since it was second the attention span of the fickle trendy movie goer was already tapped out by then). However the Ezeliel 25 17 scene was pretty good you gotta admit.
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Old 07-16-2014, 10:35 AM
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You need a new analogy. That's one played out.
I see you clocked in the moment your ban was lifted.


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Old 07-16-2014, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Why did he wait to long. All the economic guys felt we filed a year to late and damn near got liquidated. We were down to 1.1 billion in cash when we should have filed when we dropped down below 2 billion. Leo's plan as far as I could tell was do everything possible to avoid chapter 11 because USAIR was going out of business and all would be well.
I was surprised that 2.5 years passed from that time until the actual filing. Maybe there was BOD or other significant opposition, or maybe, as you suggest, he saw a ray of hope and just waffled and dawdled. Besides, they had to get those SERPs all lined up.
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Old 07-16-2014, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 76drvr
There sure does seem to be a whole lot of upward mobility and hiring going on around here since C2012. Not so much before.


Define not so much before?

You mean never before? Heck, we've hired 498 people in the last 2 years, we hired nearly 2100 in two years starting in late 1996. Wasn't there something like 850+ hired in in the year and a half of hiring in 2007 and 2008?

If 2012 was what you think it was, why did it take over a year and a half to start the hiring?
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Old 07-16-2014, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
he doesn't agree with you


And I don't either. Great movie. And Goodfellas? Really?

What do you like T?

I like lots of different movies. I just don't like lots of gore and blood and guts for the sake of shock value.

Of course many here will trash this, but there was recently a documentary on the making of Jaws. Because the mechanical shark was broken, they went from blood and guts to "Hitchcock". Much much scarier when that movie came out.
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Old 07-16-2014, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
From the Crew Resources Update:
Total block hours are up 1.6% from January 2012 to January 2014

From the Bid Monitor Report:
Total pilots required under the staffing formula January 2012 -- 9,219
Total pilots required under the staffing formula January 2014 -- 9,817
Total pilots required is up 6.5% from January 2012 to January 2014

What am I missing? We were told at the roadshows that C2012 would cost us about 125 jobs, given a static number of block hours.
So block hours went up 1.6% and we needed 6.5% more pilots and so we added how many pilots between January 1 2012 to January 1 2014? 180 recalls?
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Old 07-16-2014, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
That's a fair criticism.

In this case I am told (by web board sources) that a negotiator and MEC Chair accepted a deal that was below MEC direction. However, it is significant that the MEC then accepted it. The MEC could have struck it down and the pilots could have struck it down. None did, so it is a deal.

I see this as more of a demand, offer, and compromise agreement. If the counter offer is accepted, it does not much matter what the demand was.
The process matters very much. In the case of C2012 there were reps that voted NO, other reps that happily voted YES, and reps that voted YES only because they felt trapped by the behavior of the MEC admins. Behavior that threatened complete disaster if they didn't vote YES for what the NC decided and signed on their own. That happened. We can't stop it in the future if we don't even acknowledge it happened.

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Since there is nothing we can do about the past, other than learn from it, then you need to provide guidance to your Reps.
Learning from it is everything. Admitting what actually happened is what so many are challenged by.

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If you feel the protocol issues (perhaps engaging in negotiations outside the scope of one's authority) is significant enough, perhaps you might tell your Reps that you don't want that person to serve in a similar capacity, or in a position where they are in contact with senior leadership directly representing the pilots.
It's a shame pilots even have to give that guidance to reps and that our MEC admins are so dysfunctional.

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My point is, the past is the past. Better to look forward.
Recipe for disaster. You must do both.

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Old 07-16-2014, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by index
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
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Those who look to learn from the past will be condemned by those who don't want to stop what they're doing.
Worth a bump for the pithy and astute content.

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Old 07-16-2014, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I like lots of different movies. I just don't like lots of gore and blood and guts for the sake of shock value.

Of course many here will trash this, but there was recently a documentary on the making of Jaws. Because the mechanical shark was broken, they went from blood and guts to "Hitchcock". Much much scarier when that movie came out.
I agree. Suspense is the key to a good movie. I like the movie Signs, it was the last good movie by that director. It was scarier to see glimpses of an alien then to show the alien. To hear noises then to see something. To know something is coming because your dog is barking, and then it stops barking.



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Old 07-16-2014, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They seem to be really failing at that based on the latest pilot cost data.
You haven't a clue of what that COST data is. But it won't stop you from continuing to make it up.

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