Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-11-2014, 04:45 PM
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It's called..........wait for it...............being a PROFESSIONAL! 
Your post reads like:
blah..blah..blah, I performed my duties today, as a professional.
And if the company doesn't come to an agreement in my specified amount of time.....blah......blah.....blah....I will do my best to act.....unprofessional.
Your post reads like:
blah..blah..blah, I performed my duties today, as a professional.
And if the company doesn't come to an agreement in my specified amount of time.....blah......blah.....blah....I will do my best to act.....unprofessional.
Maybe, but another way to look at it is, that is what people do when morale is high. So are saying that if you are a "professional" you cannot go above and beyond what is expected............... because a professional is expected to go above and beyond?
We are not breaking any new ground here - things are going good and people are happy - that could change, hopefully it will not.
Scoop
07-11-2014, 04:59 PM
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Maybe, but another way to look at it is, that is what people do when morale is high. So are saying that if you are a "professional" you cannot go above and beyond what is expected............... because a professional is expected to go above and beyond?
We are not breaking any new ground here - things are going good and people are happy - that could change, hopefully it will not.
Scoop
We are not breaking any new ground here - things are going good and people are happy - that could change, hopefully it will not.
Scoop
With that being said, many moons ago, when I was a young officer in the Army it was instilled in us the required tenets of an Army Officer(leader). These included, Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selflessness, Honor, Integrity and Professionalism (Acronym: LDRSHIP).
You asked me if I thought a "professional is expected to go above and beyond?" In reality, each person's glass has varying levels of fullness depending on their thirst. Does that make sense?(no sarcasm intended) One person's "above and beyond" might be another person's "professional" duty as a Commercial Airline Pilot, performing their fiduciary duty, under the current contract (PWA) with said employer.
Standing by for incoming.
07-11-2014, 05:00 PM
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I'm waiting for someone to offer a rebuttal with an equal level of logic and reasoning as T put forth here. Such a rebuttal of an equivalent level of effort and reasonableness would be close to: "You're an idiot because I don't agree with your point of view."
Child, you can do better.
Child, you can do better.
07-11-2014, 05:03 PM
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
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It's called..........wait for it...............being a PROFESSIONAL!
Your post reads like:
blah..blah..blah, I performed my duties today, as a professional.
And if the company doesn't come to an agreement in my specified amount of time.....blah......blah.....blah....I will do my best to act.....unprofessional.
Your post reads like:
blah..blah..blah, I performed my duties today, as a professional.
And if the company doesn't come to an agreement in my specified amount of time.....blah......blah.....blah....I will do my best to act.....unprofessional.
If you're busy with something else, tired on your 5th leg, or some other reason where you become less proactive, does that transform you into not a professional?
07-11-2014, 05:05 PM
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I do not disagree with you. The (high) morale of any "unit" has implications on said unit's success; likewise, (low) morale has negative affect on the operation. Again, I am not arguing with your correlation between morale and (unit) success.
With that being said, many moons ago, when I was a young officer in the Army it was instilled in us the required tenets of an Army Officer(leader). These included, Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selflessness, Honor, Integrity and Professionalism (Acronym: LDRSHIP).
You asked me if I thought a "professional is expected to go above and beyond?" In reality, each person's glass has varying levels of fullness depending on their thirst. Does that make sense?(no sarcasm intended) One person's "above and beyond" might be another person's "professional" duty as a Commercial Airline Pilot, performing their fiduciary duty, under the current contract (PWA) with said employer.
Standing by for incoming.
With that being said, many moons ago, when I was a young officer in the Army it was instilled in us the required tenets of an Army Officer(leader). These included, Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selflessness, Honor, Integrity and Professionalism (Acronym: LDRSHIP).
You asked me if I thought a "professional is expected to go above and beyond?" In reality, each person's glass has varying levels of fullness depending on their thirst. Does that make sense?(no sarcasm intended) One person's "above and beyond" might be another person's "professional" duty as a Commercial Airline Pilot, performing their fiduciary duty, under the current contract (PWA) with said employer.
Standing by for incoming.
07-11-2014, 05:07 PM
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I characterize this post as being largely incorrect and certainly in your usual dramatic and emotional manner.
If you're busy with something else, tired on your 5th leg, or some other reason where you become less proactive, does that transform you into not a professional?
If you're busy with something else, tired on your 5th leg, or some other reason where you become less proactive, does that transform you into not a professional?
Read my response to Scoop's question. Should make more sense. If it doesn't, sorry, APC doesn't allow me to draw pictures.
07-11-2014, 05:09 PM
Straight QOL, homie
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where does the PWA require us to do any of the things I just mentioned?
That's what I thought.
I don't think you should openly admit to that...but I do smell what you're stepping in.
That's what I thought.
I don't think you should openly admit to that...but I do smell what you're stepping in.
Last edited by Purple Drank; 07-11-2014 at 05:23 PM.
07-11-2014, 05:10 PM
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
I do not disagree with you. The (high) morale of any "unit" has implications on said unit's success; likewise, (low) morale has negative affect on the operation. Again, I am not arguing with your correlation between morale and (unit) success.
With that being said, many moons ago, when I was a young officer in the Army it was instilled in us the required tenets of an Army Officer(leader). These included, Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selflessness, Honor, Integrity and Professionalism (Acronym: LDRSHIP).
You asked me if I thought a "professional is expected to go above and beyond?" In reality, each person's glass has varying levels of fullness depending on their thirst. Does that make sense?(no sarcasm intended) One person's "above and beyond" might be another person's "professional" duty as a Commercial Airline Pilot, performing their fiduciary duty, under the current contract (PWA) with said employer.
Standing by for incoming.
With that being said, many moons ago, when I was a young officer in the Army it was instilled in us the required tenets of an Army Officer(leader). These included, Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selflessness, Honor, Integrity and Professionalism (Acronym: LDRSHIP).
You asked me if I thought a "professional is expected to go above and beyond?" In reality, each person's glass has varying levels of fullness depending on their thirst. Does that make sense?(no sarcasm intended) One person's "above and beyond" might be another person's "professional" duty as a Commercial Airline Pilot, performing their fiduciary duty, under the current contract (PWA) with said employer.
Standing by for incoming.
07-11-2014, 05:12 PM
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
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What we are here to do is cash in on our expertise and skill set. This is all about dollars and cents. To think otherwise is the pinnacle of folly. If you are trying to make this job feel and look like the Army...we have a problem.
Show me the money (and time off).
07-11-2014, 05:14 PM
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Pardon the interuption here.........I have a long nonrev sit with my family in LAX tomorrow. Anyone know if I can escort them down to the pilot lounge, or is that forbiden. Thanks.........carry on
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