Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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Not at all. 99% of all soccer games are 2 hours of jogging that end in a 1-1 tie, the players all flop, the clock never stops and the action on the rediculously huge field is so slow its like watching ping pong played on a table the size of an aircraft carrier.
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
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Posts: 12,544
Funny thing is not that long ago when the bus was going the LGA-BOS portion, tons of flights were over 100 pax and the landed gentry up that way was saying mainline was going to get DCA back too. Then suddenly it all became the outsourced DC-9-10's.
What probably happened was marketing ran the averages as if it was just a regular city pair, and found the per flight demand to be comfortably under 76 seats so they "right sized" it to the DC-9-10 at DCI. But the peak flights that were over that mean after the switch we started turning customers away, and the ones we kept are on an inferior outsourced product. Airways still runs 100 seater mainline E190's on it and A319's on DCA. DL has yielded the bulk of the market to them while turning away peak pax (many of which happen to be ultra HVC's) and driving others to the competition where they then gain FF miles on another system.
Rumor is 717 to get some or all of it back, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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Do you seriously believe that you have been so abused here to be talking like this already? (Hopefully), this forum is not a microcosm of what the majority of DAL pilots feel like. (With the exception of your (disclaimer) that we would have to jump slowly through the required hoops, which by the way are a long long long way off) I would wager that the vast majority have little to zero interest in acting like what you seem to be advocating. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe I have been ingesting too much koolaid for too many years, but from what I have seen, most pilots are pretty happy. Your post just makes you seem...... miserable.
T,
No maybe about it, you are definitely 100% wrong. I was not advocating anything. I repeat for clarity - I was not advocating anything I was answering a question.
How you can go from that to speculating about my happiness is beyond me.
It boggles my mind that you can so misread a simple question and answer. The OP asked what leverage we would have not what I think we should do.
I try to take the high road and not get into it with my fellow DAL pilots but you make it awfully hard. Go back and read the original question and then my response, maybe you will figure it out.
I will even make it easy for you. Here is the Original post:
Originally Posted by satchip
Jerry, and Purple et al, you espouse a "no concession" contract in 2015. Honest question here, what incentive would management have to even negotiate? Under the RLA, they can sit on our current contract forever and we would stagnate and lose ground to inflation. Are you that happy with our current deal that you would live with it for years beyond the amendable date?
Here is my response:
Originally Posted by Scoop
The goodwill of the Pilot group. If 12,000 Pilots stop going above and beyond the operation will suffer.
Just to be crystal-clear, I am not talking about about any type of covert wink-wink type of organized effort. I am talking about Pilots displaying leadership and initiative, preventing issues from even arising by being pro-active. If we stopped doing this, and most surely would, our performance would suffer badly.
Also under the RLA we can make a lot of noise and start taking all the steps leading up to a strike. Even if we were not allowed to strike if we were to slowly jump through the required hoops, with all the accompanying hoopla, passengers bookings could decrease.
Between just these two items and there are probably others, but I only have about 30 seconds of thought into this, we are not entirely without recourse.
To make it really, really, really, easy to grasp - here is the OP's original post boiled down to a single sentence:
"what incentive would management have to even negotiate?"
So try taking my post in context of that question. Before you come on here speculating about how miserable some of your fellow Pilots are, maybe you should double check your post before you submit.
Scoop
Last edited by Scoop; 07-08-2014 at 08:21 PM.
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I saw where they said a west coast 717 base is a possibility, but missed where they specifically said Seattle...
Carl
This really is the question of C2015. Do we Delta pilots want to just take whatever management thinks is fair, then pray we never have another 50+% slashing of our contract? Or do we Delta pilots want to use the law and our leverage to extract things from management that they don't want to give?
I think it's clear where ALPA national and DALPA is on this, but I don't know where the majority of Delta pilots are on this.
Carl
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Do you seriously believe that you have been so abused here to be talking like this already? (Hopefully), this forum is not a microcosm of what the majority of DAL pilots feel like. (With the exception of your (disclaimer) that we would have to jump slowly through the required hoops, which by the way are a long long long way off) I would wager that the vast majority have little to zero interest in acting like what you seem to be advocating. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe I have been ingesting too much koolaid for too many years, but from what I have seen, most pilots are pretty happy. Your post just makes you seem...... miserable.
Scoop is a standup guy, you are totally off the reservation on this one...
But taken your above comments and your signature line and there seems to be some confluence of thought, no?
As for me, it's exactly because we aren't like American that I like it here and I'm pretty sure Mgmt. has the same incentive...
Cheers
George
Last edited by georgetg; 07-08-2014 at 08:40 PM. Reason: Ok, done celebrating, catching up on APC ;-)
Carl
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