Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-07-2014, 09:59 PM
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07-08-2014, 01:07 AM
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Jerry,
First of all, thank you for the reply PM. I agree that we must stand strong AGAINST concessions for C2015. In this time of record profits and industry health, I don't believe we should have to "trade" anything for contract improvements either.
Secondly, ya gotta stop using the previous six months of this year's retirements as a "data point" to "cost future retirements."
It just doesn't hold water.
I mentioned in a previous post, you then replied, it IS NOT a linear curve, especially based on only the previous six months. Mandatory retirements are listed below:
2014: 62
2015: 170
2016: 229
2017: 287
2018: 416
2019: 511
2020: 613
With what you've stated, we should have 4576 retirements between 2014 & 2020? I wish,
but that's not a realistic number.
As someone else posted, it normally averages the mandatory retirements, PLUS 1% of the seniority list. (~120) With 62 mandatory retirements this year, plus ~120 pilots, I expect to see ~182 pilot retirements for 2014. Approximately 71 remaining retirements for 2014. (Average six/month for remainder of the year, might be slightly low.) Next year, 170 mandatory retirements, plus 120 pilots lends to the possibility of 290 (2015) pilot retirements.
It's all a guess until it's in the past, but having our reps take a doubled number of retirements to the negotiating committee calling it "costed data" is doing nobody any good.
Thanks for your concern, at your seniority level. (I mean that.)
Kyle
First of all, thank you for the reply PM. I agree that we must stand strong AGAINST concessions for C2015. In this time of record profits and industry health, I don't believe we should have to "trade" anything for contract improvements either.
Secondly, ya gotta stop using the previous six months of this year's retirements as a "data point" to "cost future retirements."
It just doesn't hold water. I mentioned in a previous post, you then replied, it IS NOT a linear curve, especially based on only the previous six months. Mandatory retirements are listed below:
2014: 62
2015: 170
2016: 229
2017: 287
2018: 416
2019: 511
2020: 613
With what you've stated, we should have 4576 retirements between 2014 & 2020? I wish,
but that's not a realistic number. As someone else posted, it normally averages the mandatory retirements, PLUS 1% of the seniority list. (~120) With 62 mandatory retirements this year, plus ~120 pilots, I expect to see ~182 pilot retirements for 2014. Approximately 71 remaining retirements for 2014. (Average six/month for remainder of the year, might be slightly low.) Next year, 170 mandatory retirements, plus 120 pilots lends to the possibility of 290 (2015) pilot retirements.
It's all a guess until it's in the past, but having our reps take a doubled number of retirements to the negotiating committee calling it "costed data" is doing nobody any good.
Thanks for your concern, at your seniority level. (I mean that.)
Kyle
07-08-2014, 01:24 AM
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Plus, reserve and commuting is a choice.
07-08-2014, 02:06 AM
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For a line pilot it'd be the same concept, work less, and while you're at work yes you would probably fly more but we could argue that we want line construction rules to prevent some of that increase in work.
For a reserve it could mean only working 11-12 days a month. Albeit those might be full days but the nature of RES is you are covering for things and not all of those trips can be 8 hour days. So it's a decrease in days and possibly an increase in staffing? maybe?
For a line pilot it would probably be more flying while at work but 15 days worked a month would be a pay increase at 6.75 vs 5.15 ADG. It'd be a 30% increase at the end of the year.
But you could do something like Carl said, ADG first then pay raise.
As for a 747 guy in De-twa' or a 330 guy out of SEA, I don't know how much would really change as far as trying to cram in more flying into a 4-day. but maybe I am wrong.
You still have legal rest requirements to meet (albeit I don't have a clue at what you guys have for rest requirements) but a 24 or 25 hour 4-day to Asia would become a 27 hour 4-day.
I'm just batting this around looking for the issues.
07-08-2014, 02:12 AM
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07-08-2014, 02:12 AM
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Mind you I realize the company will argue that there is a pilot shortage and we need more productivity and more time at work and there's your pay raise. 
you don't even need more money per hour, at the end of the year you are paid more!
you don't even need more money per hour, at the end of the year you are paid more!
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07-08-2014, 03:02 AM
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Just thought it was time for the safety video, from Air New Zeland:
07-08-2014, 03:05 AM
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Good Point. But all the earlies are not necessarily 64.
07-08-2014, 03:36 AM
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In the coming years, with the bulge of pilots over age 60, I suspect the 1% non-mandatory group will be slightly larger, but it won't be 2x the actual, so if you're looking for predictions:
2015: 300 (170 age 65 plus 130 more)
2016: 370 (230 age 65 plus 140 more)
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07-08-2014, 03:50 AM
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I am not management. I am not a stockholder. I am an hourly wage worker. I do not change how I conduct my little operation based on corporate profitability.
I want this compensation in my pay rates and work rules. Both for the good years and bad years.
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