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07-04-2014, 07:15 PM

#161891

80ktsClamp

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Originally Posted by newKnow

With relying on mainly increasing the minimum day to 5:30 or 6:00 hours, those on the bottom of the lists will be the ones who get minimal raises.

Pay raises are a must.

I agree. That being said, I'd be ok with a somewhat more modest pay raise with some serious soft money improvements.

07-04-2014, 07:17 PM

#161892

80ktsClamp

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Cue Morgan Freeman voice: And after a long trek, the baby 737's were parched and cautiously headed to the river for much needed water.

07-04-2014, 07:18 PM

#161893

Launchpad475

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Here's a few airframes RA can grab on the cheap.

-low hours
-professionally maintained
-never been airborne
-small amounts of surface rust from shipping environment.

Make offer-

07-04-2014, 07:31 PM

#161894

Timbo

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Position: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .

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Originally Posted by buzzpat

I agree in principle T, but payrates can and should go up. We can couch a lot of it in the things you advocate, which I completely agree with. Throw in some pay raises and I'm in.

Remember, the IRS is going to take 35% of any pay raise. I'm all for mo'money, but I want to KEEP more of what I make too! Fill up my 401K ASAP, free medical, zero deductible, 6hrs./day vacation, training, daily guarantee, etc. would help put more in our pockets and keep some of it from our Uncle Sam.

Or how about we go all Emirates; buy my house, pay my kids college tuition, drive me to work and make the first $85K tax free!

07-04-2014, 08:25 PM

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JABDIP

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Holly cow. This is gong to be really ugly. 103 744A pairings that are 13-14 days long and 134 744B parings that are 13-14 days long. This is gonna be real interesting.

I see a bunch of split up trips and green slips galore.

07-04-2014, 08:44 PM

#161896

JABDIP

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Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzpat

I agree in principle T, but payrates can and should go up. We can couch a lot of it in the things you advocate, which I completely agree with. Throw in some pay raises and I'm in.

Work rules is the way to go here. For the first 2 years under the new PWA I worked 34 more days a year for the same monthly time (approx 75_78 hours a month) and made less W_2 money than I made under the old NWA contract. We actually took a pay cut and a downgrade in QOL because of the difference in work rules. Not trying to slam the DAL contract just stating facts that happened to me. For all you nonbelievers (because of the so called huge pay raises, yes there was a substantial hourly rate increase) I'll be happy to PM my W_2s to prove this not to mention loosing 3% to 401k on top of making less. Happy to report that in year 3 finally made more than my last NWA W_2 year but I am still working approx 30_34 more days a year. Work rules are huge, its not just the almighty hourly rate!!!

07-04-2014, 08:49 PM

#161897

tsquare

No longer cares

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Posts: 12,109

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Originally Posted by TheManager

Wow.

So now we are afraid of seeking pay rate increases because of....

Wait for it......

What Wall Street will think?

Really? I don't see them going "bat****" crazy over executive compensation.

Listen everyone, business is business. The basic laws of supply and demand are swinging towards favoring us. Time to leverage them and not be apologetic about it. Time to stop thinking like a group of abused victims.

The abused thinks that the incident was his or her fault.
Example:Bankruptcy was due to our unsustainable C2K

The abused has an inability to place the responsibility for the incident elsewhere.

The abused fears for their financial life and/or the lives of their children

The abused has an irrational belief that the abuser is omnipresent and omniscient.
Statements like the one above. What will Wall Street think? The NMB will never release us. We will be subjected to a PEB. Delta will never give anything to us because they will need to give to everyone else as well

You are entitled to your opinion. I prefer to work smarter. not harder.

Last edited by tsquare; 07-04-2014 at 09:01 PM.

07-04-2014, 08:52 PM

#161898

tsquare

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Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzpat

I agree in principle T, but payrates can and should go up. We can couch a lot of it in the things you advocate, which I completely agree with. Throw in some pay raises and I'm in.

Not saying they shouldn't, I just think shooting for C2K+20% is a losing strategy. I'll take CPI +.05% each year, and increase the ADG by :15 minutes every year.... (for starters) Minimum pay rate increase, but better daily value. Mr Manager doesn't care what Wall Street thinks. I do, and I guarantee you that the 850,000,000 outstanding shares of DAL so too, and they drive the bus.