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Old 06-11-2014, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Really? Betcha a cold one they do exactly that kind of thing. SWA ain't growing like the old SWA... I'll betcha their contract negotiations drag on for quite some time, and when they DO sign one, it will be mediocre at best.
Yep, they will continue to drag on and the SWA guys will blame the AT acquisition/pilots for everything. In fact, they already do. This isn't Dad's SWA anymore.
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Old 06-11-2014, 06:59 AM
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Here's something you won't hear about on CNN.
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Old 06-11-2014, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
Anybody else having trouble with PBS?


Yes.

And although not related to the IT troubles the PBS Bid assist is also pathetic - I have never ever had anyone answer in less than 10 minutes hold time - usually it is 20+ minutes.

This happens every month so why don't we beef it up?

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Old 06-11-2014, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
The FDX guys are ticked at our 3% increase... I think it's safe to say a 30% increase is not on the table.
Really? This from the FDX January 2011 contract extension:

Section 3.C. Hourly Rates of Pay
  • 3% increase effective the first day of the March, 2011 bid period.
  • 3% increase effective the first day of the March, 2012 bid period (unless ALPA shortens the Amendable Date shortened pursuant to “Relief Valve,” in which case this increase shall not occur)
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Old 06-11-2014, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Schwanker
Didn't they do that while others were taking 40% cuts? I don't see SWAPA doing that in this environment.
They didn't sign their last two contracts while we were taking paycuts. From 2009.

Nov. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Southwest Airlines Co.’s pilots approved their first new contract in 15 years, gaining higher pay and job protection as the carrier embarks on marketing agreements with other carriers.

Some Raises
The contract includes at least 3 raises of 2 percent each, for 2007 and 2008 and in 2011. Raises in the other two years covered by the contract are tied to Southwest profits. The accord is retroactive to Aug. 31, 2006, when it became open for amendment under U.S. labor law.
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Old 06-11-2014, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 76drvr
Really? This from the FDX January 2011 contract extension:

Section 3.C. Hourly Rates of Pay
  • 3% increase effective the first day of the March, 2011 bid period.
  • 3% increase effective the first day of the March, 2012 bid period (unless ALPA shortens the Amendable Date shortened pursuant to “Relief Valve,” in which case this increase shall not occur)
My response was via their complaints on this forum. They were under the impression that we get 3% indefinitely.
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Old 06-11-2014, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
It's nice to see movement for those of us scraping the bottom, though. I'll have gone from 94% in category at the peak of the stagnation to 51% later this year.
Glad to see mainline growth from C2012 has improved your relative seniority.
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Old 06-11-2014, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
My response was via their complaints on this forum. They were under the impression that we get 3% indefinitely.
Thanks for the clarification.
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Old 06-11-2014, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Were you here before the "bad times?"
Yep. Late 96 hire. I was the "master" of Line of Time bidding along with moveups (post 07 hires, don't worry about the terms, but we had a pretty good system pre-PBS). That said, while PBS was agreed to as a result of a concession, it has still been a very positive thing at DAL, unlike at other carriers.

In fact I would venture that there would be a lot of upset guys if it was announced that we were abandoning PBS in favor of our earlier system. I would be happy either way.
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Old 06-11-2014, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
A 42% pay cut and mind-boggling QOL hits, you consider positive?
Maybe you didn't understand my point, or I didn't make it clear.

I never stated that our 2004/05 concessions were "positive." What I meant to state is that the PBS experience at DAL has been a positive one, especially compared to how it has worked out elsewhere. Nothing else.

By the way, what do you fly and where? Until you actually fess up to some real DAL metal, I will just assume that you are the middle-school proxy for a PO'd pilot who doesn't have the time to read these forums and is letting his son post for him.
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