Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-08-2014, 12:56 PM
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
Carl- Thanks for translating for me. Now I understand what he's saying. It makes absolutely no sense to me, but it is proof positive that some guys will claim they are winning despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Reminds me of the knight from Monty Python (..."I'm not dead yet...").
Let's carry finis "my 2004 pay rate and my 2014 pay rate are basically the same" argument to absurdity (trust me, we won't have to go far---it's already an absurd position).
Year 1 717 F/O hourly pay is $68.08. At the top of the food chain is 777 Capt pay at $262.38/hr.
Hypothetically, if pay rates were to decline a total of 76% across the board over a 30 year period, where at the end of that period today's new hire would make $68.08/hr as a 777 Capt, that Capt could then crow that pay rates are "about the same" over that 30 year period. Victory!
Finis--you shouldn't be comparing 2004 7ER pay to 2014 777 pay. Apples to oranges.
It's a fact that the 2014 777 rates are approximately 20% LOWER than 2004 777 rates. Plus it takes over $401/hr in TODAY'S dollars to equal $319.61/hr in 2004 dollars. That's the comparison you should be using.
I don't begrudge you for being content with what you have. If you're satisfied with what you're being paid then good for you. But I think most people here see through your transparent argument. At least Carl and I do.
Let's carry finis "my 2004 pay rate and my 2014 pay rate are basically the same" argument to absurdity (trust me, we won't have to go far---it's already an absurd position).
Year 1 717 F/O hourly pay is $68.08. At the top of the food chain is 777 Capt pay at $262.38/hr.
Hypothetically, if pay rates were to decline a total of 76% across the board over a 30 year period, where at the end of that period today's new hire would make $68.08/hr as a 777 Capt, that Capt could then crow that pay rates are "about the same" over that 30 year period. Victory!
Finis--you shouldn't be comparing 2004 7ER pay to 2014 777 pay. Apples to oranges.
It's a fact that the 2014 777 rates are approximately 20% LOWER than 2004 777 rates. Plus it takes over $401/hr in TODAY'S dollars to equal $319.61/hr in 2004 dollars. That's the comparison you should be using.
I don't begrudge you for being content with what you have. If you're satisfied with what you're being paid then good for you. But I think most people here see through your transparent argument. At least Carl and I do.
06-08-2014, 01:05 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2009
Posts: 710
Carl,
You are boring. Your posts are the same old drivel. I am putting you back on ignore, and if you ever want to put your money where your big fat mouth is, send me a PM. 50 Grand. Should be easy money since you are so confident. But I expect not to hear from you because you are just a bunch of talk. Besides, didn't your boy call you back to the mother ship?
Later, big man.
You are boring. Your posts are the same old drivel. I am putting you back on ignore, and if you ever want to put your money where your big fat mouth is, send me a PM. 50 Grand. Should be easy money since you are so confident. But I expect not to hear from you because you are just a bunch of talk. Besides, didn't your boy call you back to the mother ship?
Later, big man.
06-08-2014, 01:07 PM
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
Nice try........... and you are welcome. You have had the best contract in the industry for a lot longer than you might have had otherwise.
06-08-2014, 01:07 PM
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
06-08-2014, 01:19 PM
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Light Chop
Posts: 23,286
I am done bidding and would like to argue with someone about something...
06-08-2014, 01:19 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: 765-A
Posts: 6,844
This is going downhill fast.
Are you guys going to debate, or name call?
Are you guys going to debate, or name call?
06-08-2014, 01:22 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: 777 Sim Instructor
Posts: 745
Carl- Thanks for translating for me. Now I understand what he's saying. It makes absolutely no sense to me, but it is proof positive that some guys will claim they are winning despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Reminds me of the knight from Monty Python (..."I'm not dead yet...").
Let's carry finis "my 2004 pay rate and my 2014 pay rate are basically the same" argument to absurdity (trust me, we won't have to go far---it's already an absurd position).
Year 1 717 F/O hourly pay is $68.08. At the top of the food chain is 777 Capt pay at $262.38/hr.
Hypothetically, if pay rates were to decline a total of 76% across the board over a 30 year period, where at the end of that period today's new hire would make $68.08/hr as a 777 Capt, that Capt could then crow that pay rates are "about the same" over that 30 year period. Victory!
Finis--you shouldn't be comparing 2004 7ER pay to 2014 777 pay. Apples to oranges.
It's a fact that the 2014 777 rates are approximately 20% LOWER than 2004 777 rates. Plus it takes over $401/hr in TODAY'S dollars to equal $319.61/hr in 2004 dollars. That's the comparison you should be using.
I don't begrudge you for being content with what you have. If you're satisfied with what you're being paid then good for you. But I think most people here see through your transparent argument. At least Carl and I do.
Let's carry finis "my 2004 pay rate and my 2014 pay rate are basically the same" argument to absurdity (trust me, we won't have to go far---it's already an absurd position).
Year 1 717 F/O hourly pay is $68.08. At the top of the food chain is 777 Capt pay at $262.38/hr.
Hypothetically, if pay rates were to decline a total of 76% across the board over a 30 year period, where at the end of that period today's new hire would make $68.08/hr as a 777 Capt, that Capt could then crow that pay rates are "about the same" over that 30 year period. Victory!
Finis--you shouldn't be comparing 2004 7ER pay to 2014 777 pay. Apples to oranges.
It's a fact that the 2014 777 rates are approximately 20% LOWER than 2004 777 rates. Plus it takes over $401/hr in TODAY'S dollars to equal $319.61/hr in 2004 dollars. That's the comparison you should be using.
I don't begrudge you for being content with what you have. If you're satisfied with what you're being paid then good for you. But I think most people here see through your transparent argument. At least Carl and I do.
06-08-2014, 01:22 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: 765-A
Posts: 6,844
06-08-2014, 01:24 PM
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Position: Kickin’ Back
Posts: 6,971
06-08-2014, 01:24 PM
veut gagner à la loterie
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Position: Light Chop
Posts: 23,286
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