Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-02-2014, 09:22 AM
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Yikes? Again, why? UPS had a "sim" when I interviewed there a hundred years ago, and I guarantee you it didn't tell squat about my flying abilities. They still have to pass a checkride somewhere before they are sitting in front of little pink bodies. Ya'll are making a mountain out of a dust bunny.
Delta is one of few if the only major not requiring one. SWA you need the type in lieu of.
Sim ride tells a lot.
So T, what you are saying is Delta should take a candidate all the way through expensive training, consuming valuable resources that we a short of, and then determine whether they have the skills or not?
Yeah. They have always done it this way. Doesn't mean it is efficient or the best practice.
fNWA, you all did sims, correct?
06-02-2014, 09:31 AM
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No. Not really.
Delta is one of few if the only major not requiring one. SWA you need the type in lieu of.
Sim ride tells a lot.
So T, what you are saying is Delta should take a candidate all the way through expensive training, consuming valuable resources that we a short of, and then determine whether they have the skills or not?
Yeah. They have always done it this way. Doesn't mean it is efficient or the best practice.
fNWA, you all did sims, correct?
Delta is one of few if the only major not requiring one. SWA you need the type in lieu of.
Sim ride tells a lot.
So T, what you are saying is Delta should take a candidate all the way through expensive training, consuming valuable resources that we a short of, and then determine whether they have the skills or not?
Yeah. They have always done it this way. Doesn't mean it is efficient or the best practice.
fNWA, you all did sims, correct?
FWIW DL supposedly has had very good luck with the generic cog tests they use in lieu of a sim. I don't think there is any tangibile benefit to using them…unless you own the sim and can rent spare capacity to interview prep companies...
06-02-2014, 09:34 AM
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Do you seriously think this is an issue? I guess we can bring it up in C15 if it really bothers you, but I think it is much ado about little. They still have to decipher a way to attract pilots to a minimum wage job, and I don't believe they are gonna be knocking any doors off of any hinges to get that.
Things were pretty bright in 2000. Not so much by 2002. The lesson we should have learned is that you plan your scope for worst case contingencies, because it is when the worst case hits that your structures will be tested under the most stress.
Besides, if it is protection we do not need, then it should cost nothing to get, right?
06-02-2014, 09:38 AM
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Different subject though.
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06-02-2014, 09:38 AM
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Does a sim matter for someone with thousands of hours of jet time? No.
I think there is some validity to a sim for an entry level applicant. Even if a guy has the gouge, he still has to demonstrate some basic ability. Even if it's in a Frasca.
I think there is some validity to a sim for an entry level applicant. Even if a guy has the gouge, he still has to demonstrate some basic ability. Even if it's in a Frasca.
06-02-2014, 09:45 AM
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Put your post into context ... replace C2015 with C2000 and 2016 with 2001.
Things were pretty bright in 2000. Not so much by 2002. The lesson we should have learned is that you plan your scope for worst case contingencies, because it is when the worst case hits that your structures will be tested under the most stress.
Besides, if it is protection we do not need, then it should cost nothing to get, right?
Things were pretty bright in 2000. Not so much by 2002. The lesson we should have learned is that you plan your scope for worst case contingencies, because it is when the worst case hits that your structures will be tested under the most stress.
Besides, if it is protection we do not need, then it should cost nothing to get, right?
06-02-2014, 09:48 AM
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Flitz instead of Brasso for the DB buttons?
06-02-2014, 09:51 AM
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Back to the point though. I think if a pilot has 1500 hours, and has no ability, he has lied on his resume and that will come out somewhere in an interview. Yes, sometimes guys fall thru the cracks. Ill grant you that it has some validity, but I wouldn't put it anywhere near the top of a list. jmho...
06-02-2014, 09:56 AM
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Lets see, an EtD candidate needs to be a Captain for 2 years and the current upgrade at Endeavor is what? Six to Eight? Isn't their plan also to go from the 160 planes they have now to something like 90? That should really help upgrade times. Also, the folks who don't pass their SSP interview are going to hang out in their Captain seats and reduce the amount of seats available for First Officers to move into.
So MAYBE a 6 year upgrade and then 2 as a captain for maybe 8 years to get to Big D. When you could go to someplace like Mesa, Compass, and PSA etc, with equally poor or slightly better pay, but a quicker upgrade and apply and get interviewed well before 8 years.
Maybe in a decade this will be a good program.
So MAYBE a 6 year upgrade and then 2 as a captain for maybe 8 years to get to Big D. When you could go to someplace like Mesa, Compass, and PSA etc, with equally poor or slightly better pay, but a quicker upgrade and apply and get interviewed well before 8 years.
Maybe in a decade this will be a good program.
06-02-2014, 10:03 AM
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Lets see, an EtD candidate needs to be a Captain for 2 years and the current upgrade at Endeavor is what? Six to Eight? Isn't their plan also to go from the 160 planes they have now to something like 90? That should really help upgrade times. Also, the folks who don't pass their SSP interview are going to hang out in their Captain seats and reduce the amount of seats available for First Officers to move into.
So MAYBE a 6 year upgrade and then 2 as a captain for maybe 8 years to get to Big D. When you could go to someplace like Mesa with equally crappy pay, but a quicker upgrade and apply and get interviewed well before 8 years.
Maybe in a decade this will be a good program.
So MAYBE a 6 year upgrade and then 2 as a captain for maybe 8 years to get to Big D. When you could go to someplace like Mesa with equally crappy pay, but a quicker upgrade and apply and get interviewed well before 8 years.
Maybe in a decade this will be a good program.
We're downgrading and have 7+ year first officers right now. If I were just starting out I'd go someplace else with a much shorter upgrade time. This program is just another half hearted attempt to solve a systemic problem.
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